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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague I recently made a

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trip to Liverpool Nova Scotia to speak

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of the East Coast paranormal conference

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hosted by the Queens County Museum and

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the crossed over Paranormal Society I've

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never been this far into Canada in my

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life so it was both refreshing and

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exciting the conference brought together

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attendees and speakers in every realm of

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the paranormal UFO field and everything

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in between

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personally I was speaking on mysterious

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triangles throughout the world starting

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with the Bermuda Triangle and working my

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way across oceans and continents to find

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connections between all of them the

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audience seemed to really dig the talk

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and I had some amazing conversations

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with people both right after and

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throughout the entire conference but one

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of the coolest conversations took place

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the evening after the conference when

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several of the speakers and I got

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together had some beers and debriefed on

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the weekends events and some extremely

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compelling experiences we had during an

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on-site paranormal investigation at the

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historically haunted Queens County

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Museum in the following round table

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discussion you'll hear from the other

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speakers which included mica Hanks Paul

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Kimball and Greg Bishop this discussion

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was originally broadcast live on Greg

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bishops acclaimed show radio mysterioso

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but he gave me permission to share it

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with all of you right here on somewhere

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in the skies it was a wide-ranging talk

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that finds us walking from each of our

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presentations how they were received and

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our thoughts on the paranormal and all

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the baggage that comes with such topics

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now I must warn you this episode is very

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little about UFOs but I could not let

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this opportunity pass by with such

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influential researchers from across the

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country in one room together so I hope

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you enjoy this Paracon Ron table

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discussion with Myka Gregg Paul and

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myself

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here it is I'm sitting here now with

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Ryan our Spragg yeah

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good evening and Paul Kimball our host

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and gracious host and

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all around fixer for this weekend ace

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ghost hunter and ace ghost hunter which

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I guess you didn't want to talk to uh

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his friends on the street about no it's

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like I was going pleased they're into

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ghosts please don't tell them I do it

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goes yeah so we all arrived here last

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week I was here on Wednesday mica and

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Ryan were here on Thursday and we headed

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up to Liverpool Friday was the first day

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although we did visit where was it

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Mahone Bay and Lunenburg Oak Island and

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got to drive across this little causeway

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that goes to Oak Island that I guess was

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built after the island was discovered or

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something is that a later Edition you

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a while yeah it's probably what 7,500

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yards long 50 maybe 50 really maybe 50

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to 75 okay full of potholes and yes and

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potholes you figure with all the money

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that was coming in from that stupid TV

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show they could fix the potholes but no

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has a latency just mykos warning me

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about because that facility Oak Island

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is normally closed to the public

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that was open so we drove across went to

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the interpretative Center and took a

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picture in front a little monument there

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and then off to the conference and that

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evening we had I'm not gonna go through

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a litany of what happened at the

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conference but oh that's a nice please

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turn to page to the chapter of para para

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con and the book of litany okay we're on

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that page now okay let's see there was a

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speaker introduction Paul Kimball did a

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talk on the haunted series which is

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coming up on in October is it mm-hmm

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yeah on Eastlake network in Canada

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thrush means most of you people

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listening will be able to see it

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eventually it'll wind its way to you

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well will you be posting pieces like on

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Vimeo or YouTube or something like that

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not full episodes because the network

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prohibits that okay well I already have

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some clips of little teaser clips and as

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time goes on you know I'll post more

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interesting clips up too right but the

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series we did years ago ghost cases

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which the new ones infinitely better

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ghost cases is available now in fact I

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think I get you to buy it on Amazon

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Prime I do something yes I did because I

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couldn't up here in Canada and then you

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couldn't send it to me I don't actually

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copies of my old senior really shame and

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I broke up with Mike and he kept

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everything so I don't know

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so I said Greg can you just like

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download them and send them to me it's a

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couple I haven't seen in nine years but

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it's available for free online now -

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there's some sites so eventually onto

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the window for that place - alright and

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let's see and then the next day Ryan did

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his talk on triangles around the room we

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just stayed at the triangle yeah that

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was pretty I think mystic is about the

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old triangle know here in Halifax

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very many fans of yours fans of ours

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pretty interesting we were they're so

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famous they saw the fans had a

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completely onion Oh unplanned location

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gotta love when that happens hello

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Sabrina if you're out there listening

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there's really nice to make your

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acquaintance and yeah it goes to show

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how small the world actually is yeah

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yeah we were eating outside these people

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walk back to the streets I think they

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knew you and Ryan from you said like

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from social media or something yeah as

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people know I'm never on social media so

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how could they know that's right exactly

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earlobes of probably in all creation

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belong to Paul Kimball and so she was

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said with your back to her she did

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yeah I gave the talk on triangles

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throughout the world I mean we we always

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think the Bermuda Triangle being the

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only mysterious place but I

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was able to find what was it five others

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others as well the only two anywhere

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Bridgewater and Devil's Triangle we

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found like a few others yeah the one of

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the more interesting ones I mean

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fascinating why just the amount of

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different things happening there from

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UFO sightings cryptids to ancient you

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know Native American purses everything

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everything you could think of going on

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there stay tuned yeah yeah yeah Britain

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Rehoboth Freetown and some other

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Abington I believe yeah and yeah just a

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lot of different activity and they had a

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lot of cases of satanic like sacrifices

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back in the day as well

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serial killers it's just it's insane the

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amount of history to that place yeah I

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should stop doing this because you can

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hear the yeah yeah I'm gonna stop the

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clicking stop it with the clicking no

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more creaking clicking at least release

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the click and that's the clicker yeah I

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think the talk went over well people

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seem to dig it you know trying boom

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inner triangle something we think of in

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the past a lot but um these events are

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still happening so you know there is the

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tragedy this past May in the Bermuda

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Triangle with a pilot in a business

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woman in New York or two small children

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still missing to this day the search has

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been called off but yeah just goes to

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show that no matter how much we look

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into these things they they continue

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they perpetuate and the mystery remains

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do you think there's something to the

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triangle idea or is it just especially

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between the trying it's kind of like

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it's a big area of ocean a lot of people

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go through the Bermuda Triangle is one

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of the most well-traveled areas you know

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in the Atlantic so thousands and

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thousands of planes go over and ships

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every day nothing happens so you know I

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dug a little deep in not deep I dug a

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little into it at the end of my talk

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that we do shape these mysteries we find

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ways to make an area I try and go rather

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than

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being a triangle huh and every little

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town wants to have its own version and I

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think of these things you know so I

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found that very interesting - it's

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almost a sociological thing as well like

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let's put it a some sort of importance

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to this area well what do we have the

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bermuda triangle was the first let's

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let's build off of that oh we have we

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have weird stuff going on here oh there

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was a plane crash

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it's a triangle now you know yeah yeah

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so I found that fascinating as well I do

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believe we shape excuse me I believe the

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mystery shapes us more than we shape it

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and then you found one also in France

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yep the burly triangle in France spoke

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to a gentleman there who lived smack dab

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in the middle of it and when he was a

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kid his grandparents used to when they

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would be traveling to Paris on vacation

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would tell him about all these horrible

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accidents that happened in the Triangle

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while they were travel oh that's a way

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to scare the children yeah that one was

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interesting it's the most plane crashes

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to ever happen in a condensed area in

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France they hold the record a lot of UFO

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activity a lot of the plane crashes

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there there were UFO reports around

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there so yeah even back before the UFO

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modern UFO period yes yep yep so that

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one was very interesting a lot of people

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believe there's a lot of

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electromagnetism that occurs in that

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area as well there are a lot of uranium

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mines there were volcanoes there were

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megaliths found as well so you do have

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to wonder yeah could be a window area

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heard of but I had never heard of the

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one in England yeah the one with the

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strange British name yeah Walt Newton

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the Wald Newton trying spoked a

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researcher there who you had on video

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talking about yeah he was a little high

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his accident was really thick I didn't

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realize it until I started playing the

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videos it's a little hard to understand

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but another gentleman who lived in the

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Triangle growing up the wolves are very

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popular in yorkshire and this one just

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happens to be the strangest the

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most activity reported everything from

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fairies to ghosts to shapeshifters and

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even werewolves old stinker as mica said

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yeah the old old stinker met thundering

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title for that creature old stinker I

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think says I'll never forget that

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somehow he just never quite made it into

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the annals of the literature no one

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could talk to the myths to shreds your

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old stink so yeah that was a really

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interesting one too a lot of history

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behind that again megaliths in the area

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so make of that what you will but more

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Legend and Lord I think with something

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like that then any actual triangle

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mystery I would say and I'm trying to

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put this mic down Formica or I'm sorry

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huh key him banging it on the table just

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to get more centralized

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actually I prefer to go by Rick Ned fern

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yeah there's a picture of you in my book

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yeah Rick head front when you have

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longer hair leather jacket yeah then

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were the days I was such a Beatles fan

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too yeah it really was

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there's good stuff mica just put out a

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just on the day you gave your talk put

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out the new edition of magic mysticism

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and the molecule yes yes that's true in

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fact with a beautiful new cover in 100

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what 40 extra pages about a hundred and

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twenty-five a thing new yeah extra pages

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you know what my thing is it will it

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will be available for purchase on Amazon

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I think after this weekend so but the

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actual thing we were we were literally

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standing in the hotel lobby Greg and

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Ryan and I had the the actual proof the

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PDF of the print proof that we were

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looking at there so definitely first

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time I've been able to go to a

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conference and be like hey guys guess

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what you know the new books gonna be

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coming out you know like this weekend

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something just in time not to have it

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here for sale gotta love that so really

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plan that one well but you know it was a

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really good time getting up here

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and you know we I mean I think really

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this has been unique because in addition

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to the lectures in the conference I mean

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those here present have spent several

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days traveling around and Paul being our

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tour guide and taking us around mean

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I've enjoyed this as much as anything

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for the sightseeing and the places we

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went like Oak Island you said but yeah

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as far as the magic mysticism the

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molecule thing goes it's in an old book

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seven years old now new edition with

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some new experiences

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you know a full source citation job

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where we've gone through all the sources

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are now in text citations along with

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complete bibliography and new expanded

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index so on and notes on every chapter

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so the idea is to really want to play up

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the anthropological wonder of mystical

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experience altered states of

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consciousness you ever had anything like

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that happen guys I mean anyone here ever

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experienced an altered state of

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consciousness every time I go to

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Harvey's awesome I appointed the trip

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I've got to take these guys to the

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Bridgewater RVs you know in Bridgewater

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RVs I thought was the Army's Triangle

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yeah the RVs triangle yeah yeah yeah it

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was damn good Reuben - I will say yeah

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it really was

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but yeah you know the the altered state

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semi actually happen in a lot of

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different ways out of you oh yeah

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absolutely have in fact something I was

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gonna tell you guys so but all naturally

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man all naturally yeah DMT you know

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least rated you but gosh I guess I'm

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getting old and boring because I don't

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drink as much you know as I used to I

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certainly don't do the drugs kind of got

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oh well no there's one thing I'm

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absolutely addicted to and that's black

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coffee I love my black coffee scrying

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session every morning you know yeah

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you're gazing but that all kidding aside

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if you're sitting there with your you

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know your coffee it helps if it's black

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coffee because then you got a reflective

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surface

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I will actually all kidding that's not

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do that I will take a my coffee and I'll

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sometimes I'll just be kind of sitting

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there and meditating I don't know that

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sounds kind of cliche but I mean I also

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really do like to meditate I like to do

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yoga I like to have a little quiet time

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in the mornings and sometimes I'll just

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you know

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look into my black coffee and stare into

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that indirect optical depth of you know

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it's a kind of an illusory experience

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where you're looking into the black

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coffee and you just kind of let your

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eyes relax and then let your mind wander

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and yeah you can absolutely scry like

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that there was a guy back in the 1890s I

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thought it might have been oh it wasn't

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I care of his name but uh he used to say

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that he was so good he could describe I

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looking at the reflection of a lot off

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his thumbnail you know for those who

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aren't familiar with the terms crying is

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just mirror gazing it's the ancient

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practice of looking into a reflective

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surface and attempting to induce an

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altered state but often people will do

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this for purpose of reading the future

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or gleaning other information and of

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course one of the things we emphasized

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in a lecture was dr. Raymond nudies

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research with the psychomanteum which

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was the concept of borrowing from an

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idea he believed the ancient Greeks

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might have done that was representative

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of a literal Oracle of the Dead near the

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SPRO shed in ancient Greece rather than

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just a mythic location referenced and

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you know homers writing and other places

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I mean Moody thought it was probably

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real and that mirror gazing was what

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allowed people to speak with apparitions

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of the dead and that indeed in

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therapeutic counseling sessions he did

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throughout the probably the eighties and

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nineties mostly he said that many people

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would engage in this psychomanteum this

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mirrored variety of mirror gazing

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experience were they too would see

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apparitions of a deceased loved ones but

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I always like to point out there that

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while that may sound really kooky and

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strange to people I asked moody I said

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are they is he seeing I mean are people

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seen ghost what's going on he says oh no

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no no I think it's it's really their

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imagination this is something about the

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way that the mind works but he says what

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we need to remember is that there is a

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common experience you know innate to

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human referenced and all different kinds

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of cultures and variety is a different

445
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literature that describes apparitional

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experiences with reflective surfaces you

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know I know you guys do a lot in the way

448
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of ghost hunting we did a lot of ghost

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hunting with Paul over the weekend you

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guys ever use the mirrors when you're on

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location only one we set up camera in

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place called Ottawa house in paris

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burrow joy Cumberland County Museum hers

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the most haunted place we had and we

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tried to use different camera angles to

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see if things you know shadow people

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have been reported kind of things so see

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instead of seeing if you could see them

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on the wall maybe you could trick them

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and catch them in the mirror and stuff

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didn't find anything lots of other crazy

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stuff happened that camera was a bus

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though but other than that no never

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really never really used the mirror kind

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of thing but we definitely had some fun

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stuff going on there at the yeah with

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you yeah especially for Mike and I well

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I mean I'm sorry Ryan and I Myka

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probably has experienced some of these

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things before I hadn't you guys had

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never really done like these I did I did

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last year when we went to the theater of

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the old theater what's it called the

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Astor theater in Liverpool we did a

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ghost hunt there we really got nothing

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except for Kelly said she saw a shadow

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going by one in one of the rooms

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upstairs I didn't see it so I didn't get

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to experience that but this time what

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happened what what what what happen like

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everybody can actually talk about you

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know I'll take I'll take a laughs

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absolutely yeah so I mean I've been on

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ghost walks ghost tours I've never been

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on a ghost investigation and you know

486
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like Paul told us all it is not like you

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see on television most shows and things

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don't just pop out the second you get

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there you know you are waiting around

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everything is extremely subjective most

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of the time however there was one moment

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when we were in the activity room was it

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called the little girl yes yeah it's the

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activity room where they keep a lot of

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their a lot of historical exhibits

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related to children actually

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okay so toys in particular right a lot

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of old toys from the 19th century in

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there right so you know going in our

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hosts at the Museum Linda told us about

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this young girl named Lucy who's been

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often reported there and that she is

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missing a toy she's always looking for a

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toy so we were in this room with Paul

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and your assistant I wasn't there action

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you were not that I was upstairs in the

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void which is an archive

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large archival storage area where you

509
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can literally turn lights off and you

510
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can't see a thing that's right you know

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like but I could hear you guys I'm just

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what Ryan's about to tell you is how

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crazy it is they were using the Ghost

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Box I was upstairs with two doors

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between us I could still hear what they

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heard through the Ghost Box I went holy

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crap yeah cuz I was sitting in complete

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darkness when I heard all of your

519
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reactions like whoa kind of thing so the

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ghost box we have a machine yeah can you

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explain that to us Punk I mean I I sort

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of get it but sure yeah it's a it's a

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device that I actually didn't want to

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get for the series because I thought it

525
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was dumb because I'd seen Ghost

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Adventures or something use it before

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but Holly my co-host prevailed upon me

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to do it be cool my brother is our

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production manager said look good for

530
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television and so what it does it cycles

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through various radio stations and

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frequencies and whatever area you're in

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so down and Liverpool there's a number

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of radio stations and it just cycles

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through them at different speed rates AM

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and FM you can set it up in all sorts of

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different ways and the idea is it's one

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of these devices like all of these

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devices they're not ghost detectors or

540
00:22:01,779 --> 00:21:59,839
anything like that but they're devices

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that if there's something out there the

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theory is that they can use that to

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interact with you so you ask the go like

544
00:22:11,139 --> 00:22:09,229
kind of thing and then you'll ask the

545
00:22:11,709 --> 00:22:11,149
ghost box a question you know are you

546
00:22:13,930 --> 00:22:11,719
lonely

547
00:22:17,499 --> 00:22:13,940
are you happy what's your favorite color

548
00:22:19,419 --> 00:22:17,509
I don't know what it is and and maybe

549
00:22:21,729 --> 00:22:19,429
you'll get a response and it's a very

550
00:22:23,259 --> 00:22:21,739
interactive kind of experience and as I

551
00:22:24,669 --> 00:22:23,269
was telling folks when I was introducing

552
00:22:26,469 --> 00:22:24,679
the gear last night because I kind of

553
00:22:29,229 --> 00:22:26,479
get drafted in to be lead one of these

554
00:22:31,810 --> 00:22:29,239
Ghost Tours you I've learned you have to

555
00:22:33,849 --> 00:22:31,820
commit you have to sort of go in and say

556
00:22:35,199 --> 00:22:33,859
you know what skeptic not skeptic

557
00:22:37,269 --> 00:22:35,209
believer doesn't matter I'm gonna open

558
00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:37,279
myself up if there's something here to

559
00:22:41,469 --> 00:22:39,289
experience I'm willing to experience it

560
00:22:42,849 --> 00:22:41,479
you'll bring it on and the ghost box is

561
00:22:44,919 --> 00:22:42,859
one of those ways you know can hold it

562
00:22:46,539 --> 00:22:44,929
muffle the sound and go yeah you know is

563
00:22:48,999 --> 00:22:46,549
there a little girl here kind of thing

564
00:22:51,639 --> 00:22:49,009
and hold it out and see what happens and

565
00:22:53,379 --> 00:22:51,649
the guy you had I think leading that

566
00:22:56,639 --> 00:22:53,389
session it was a much smaller crowd that

567
00:22:58,479 --> 00:22:56,649
yeah it was basically yeah it was you me

568
00:23:00,639 --> 00:22:58,489
basically the speakers at the conference

569
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:00,649
Linda there was one woman who was a

570
00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:04,170
guest participant like a paying customer

571
00:23:07,790 --> 00:23:05,700
because the museum takes the money and

572
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:07,800
uses it for their fun last night there

573
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:09,810
were 20 people there yeah so which makes

574
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,690
it hard but but Dylan Garland who was

575
00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:14,400
the cameraman on my show director

576
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,990
photography and eventually get drafted

577
00:23:20,150 --> 00:23:17,760
in so many weird things happened to him

578
00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:20,160
and he was a skeptic when he went mad by

579
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,200
the time the first season ended he was

580
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:24,720
on camera as well as off camera because

581
00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:26,610
he just got when you're there it drags

582
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,860
you in so you experienced a bit of that

583
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:30,720
that's the very long one to lead up for

584
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:32,370
what happened because what happened yeah

585
00:23:36,410 --> 00:23:34,050
well I mean really cool it was pretty

586
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:36,420
cool I I was I will admit I was very

587
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:38,610
closed off when I first got there you

588
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,290
know I would say out of the one two

589
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:42,000
three four of us I'm probably one of

590
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:44,940
them the less skeptical when it comes to

591
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:47,490
UFOs I am I do lean more on the believer

592
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:49,890
side however when it comes to the

593
00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:52,770
paranormal I've never experienced that

594
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:55,140
so I was very skeptical going into it I

595
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,960
was very closed off but for some reason

596
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:00,240
when we got in that room the activity

597
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:02,370
room something just opened up inside me

598
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,770
and I just I was ready I didn't know

599
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:06,240
what to expect I didn't know what we

600
00:24:12,290 --> 00:24:08,570
were walking into so we get in there and

601
00:24:14,510 --> 00:24:12,300
we're told that it's it's been reported

602
00:24:18,140 --> 00:24:14,520
that there's a little girl we're going

603
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,150
through the Ghost Box and Dylan asks are

604
00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:21,120
you are you here we get a yes you know

605
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:24,120
okay fine that's off planing cool I get

606
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:32,060
yes it was it was ambiguous I couldn't

607
00:24:36,050 --> 00:24:34,200
really tell but I went along they don't

608
00:24:39,530 --> 00:24:36,060
make okay I get that yeah I could hear

609
00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:39,540
yes the next was we didn't hear anything

610
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,100
for a little while like I said there's a

611
00:24:47,410 --> 00:24:42,720
lot of waiting around with these things

612
00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:47,420
and then he asked are you scared and

613
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:51,720
then we got a yes like a solid yes so

614
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,570
then it was again a little ambiguous it

615
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,400
was a female that much I could tell you

616
00:25:00,530 --> 00:24:58,080
young or old they couldn't really tell

617
00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:00,540
so what that essentially voice is coming

618
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:04,110
from a radio correct scanning right and

619
00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:05,640
the idea is and these are not

620
00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:09,030
necessarily the voices of the person or

621
00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:10,980
whatever but they pick a word out of

622
00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:12,390
whatever's going on in the ether and

623
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,310
will target that word and send it out

624
00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:16,320
right ether meaning on the

625
00:25:20,990 --> 00:25:19,320
exactly all these radios some guys

626
00:25:22,460 --> 00:25:21,000
introducing a Paul McCartney song or

627
00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:22,470
some woman's introducing a rush song

628
00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:24,750
right and I'll pull the yes you're not

629
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:27,150
you're not talking to Richard he's SAT

630
00:25:35,150 --> 00:25:29,640
through the rig yeah yeah yeah it's a

631
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:35,160
great title for a book comparison those

632
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:36,600
who are familiar with the Transformers

633
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:38,730
film franchise of course the character

634
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:41,970
bumblebee yes the bumblebee that

635
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:43,770
character speaks in the same way where

636
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:46,410
his his vocal processor is busted or

637
00:25:50,420 --> 00:25:48,930
something so he taps into local radio

638
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:50,430
frequencies being earthly terrestrial

639
00:25:53,660 --> 00:25:52,410
radio and he speaks through that you

640
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:53,670
know you'll have a sound but a John

641
00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:55,320
Wayne coming through or he'll ground

642
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:58,140
live a DJ or a song there's a second

643
00:26:02,600 --> 00:25:59,820
principle but in little box that's

644
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:02,610
pretty I remember that for a description

645
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:04,290
of somebody asked me how's it go Spock's

646
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:05,640
work I'll just go bumblebee in the

647
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:13,170
trance so supposedly random but if it is

648
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:14,910
working in the way it's supposed to be

649
00:26:20,270 --> 00:26:18,000
working it non randomizes it for the

650
00:26:22,190 --> 00:26:20,280
situation correct through whatever

651
00:26:23,420 --> 00:26:22,200
agencies it might be a spirit or

652
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:23,430
whatever it might be all of our

653
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:25,770
intentions but that is the operating

654
00:26:31,610 --> 00:26:28,710
principle okay go ahead I'm sorry so at

655
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:31,620
that point he asks us to sit down let's

656
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:34,050
get on her level it's clear that she was

657
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:37,610
scared so we all bend down sit down and

658
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:42,360
then immediately as we sat down it

659
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:44,910
really started to pick up everyone

660
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:48,000
started sort of feeling a coldness and

661
00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:50,490
whatnot and I just distinctly remember

662
00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:53,190
there was a moment when the Ghost Box

663
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:57,510
started crying it was not a voice it was

664
00:27:02,570 --> 00:26:59,580
not a random word thrown through the

665
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:02,580
transmission it was a young girl crying

666
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:07,170
at least twice I think it was just a

667
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:10,410
small whimper and then more of an actual

668
00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:14,250
cry at this point we all started really

669
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:16,470
getting a little freaked out and that

670
00:27:22,010 --> 00:27:18,570
was the moment that really changed the

671
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:22,020
entire experience for me I I felt like I

672
00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:25,020
had two small hands on the back of my

673
00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:27,240
neck like someone was hugging me like

674
00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:28,950
from the front

675
00:27:37,790 --> 00:27:31,470
yeah yeah I didn't I didn't say it at

676
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,800
the panel I just wasn't ready think you

677
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:39,120
don't wanna talk about you're still

678
00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:40,890
trying to process we still trying to

679
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,350
process it and I I felt I remember

680
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,120
feeling like the fingers on my neck more

681
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:47,760
than anything the hugging aspect is

682
00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:51,000
definitely up for debate but I felt like

683
00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:52,830
someone was comforting me I don't know

684
00:27:57,380 --> 00:27:54,870
if it was this young girl but then this

685
00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:57,390
was the same point I think where you had

686
00:28:01,670 --> 00:27:58,980
something happen as well right

687
00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:01,680
a few people felt that she ran through

688
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:03,270
the room like there's a rush of wind

689
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:05,220
like she wanted to leave the room at

690
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:08,250
that yeah and I at one point I think

691
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,410
somebody said I think that she thinks

692
00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:12,480
there's too many people in here that

693
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:14,220
it's in it's scaring her and I thought

694
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,980
well you know I'll play along and I left

695
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:18,480
the room actually went out in the other

696
00:28:22,220 --> 00:28:20,010
room and then I came back in and stood

697
00:28:24,860 --> 00:28:22,230
like near the entrance but back in a

698
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,870
little alcove so that I wasn't standing

699
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:27,120
there the rest of the group and when I

700
00:28:30,170 --> 00:28:28,530
heard them saying something went just

701
00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:30,180
went past me I was standing kind of

702
00:28:34,420 --> 00:28:31,830
looking at everybody around the corner

703
00:28:38,270 --> 00:28:34,430
around a scary mannequin which the whole

704
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,280
museum is full of and as soon as they

705
00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:39,840
said that and they they were kind of

706
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,630
looking I felt and this is very strange

707
00:28:47,150 --> 00:28:44,880
I felt a tingling sensation like

708
00:28:50,660 --> 00:28:47,160
goosebump sensations start in the back

709
00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:50,670
of my skull my scalp traveled down my

710
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:52,500
neck down the back and all the way down

711
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:55,170
to my feet I can't explain that I don't

712
00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:56,580
know if it's psychosomatic but I don't

713
00:28:59,480 --> 00:28:57,720
know why I would would think that that

714
00:29:02,240 --> 00:28:59,490
would be happening to me and then it

715
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:02,250
happened again a few minutes later not

716
00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:03,450
when they said anybody was running

717
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,400
through but it happened again very

718
00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:07,440
distinct as if somebody it was you know

719
00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:09,390
suddenly I was very cold on the back

720
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:10,980
didn't feel cold but it was like a

721
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,650
reaction to cold yeah yes so that was a

722
00:29:18,380 --> 00:29:16,080
really strange bit for me that's never

723
00:29:19,940 --> 00:29:18,390
happened to me there's a certain

724
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:19,950
commonality to some of this I recall

725
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:22,170
when I was a child and again you know I

726
00:29:25,910 --> 00:29:24,810
do try to look at all this stuff as one

727
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:25,920
of two things maybe there are real

728
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:28,320
actual phenomena that occur and this is

729
00:29:34,550 --> 00:29:31,110
something ghostly as it appears to be or

730
00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:34,560
is popular popularly conceived of the

731
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:36,030
way I look at for instance the ghost box

732
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:38,130
and this is my own interpretation but I

733
00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:40,410
mean I see that as being a and I

734
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:41,640
referred to it over the weekend a couple

735
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:41,970
times

736
00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:43,410
a subjective experience where really

737
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:45,860
what you hear is is your own

738
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:47,850
interpretation but nonetheless I was

739
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:50,130
fascinated by the idea of taking that

740
00:29:53,390 --> 00:29:52,290
device or and as I proposed to Paul you

741
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:53,400
know take like four of them and take

742
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,050
four individuals each person sits down

743
00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:57,840
and they start asking questions those

744
00:30:00,740 --> 00:29:59,010
questions you're probably going to be

745
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:00,750
unless there's any kind of like you know

746
00:30:04,670 --> 00:30:02,850
planning in terms of what questions are

747
00:30:08,030 --> 00:30:04,680
asked those questions are going to be

748
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:08,040
probably influenced by the desires of or

749
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:10,050
the motives of the individual asking but

750
00:30:13,940 --> 00:30:11,520
let's say that for individuals for

751
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:13,950
crying with a ghost box it's different I

752
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:15,570
described you know or did be more like

753
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:17,700
using a Ouija board actually right right

754
00:30:21,170 --> 00:30:19,770
it's a similar concept where really what

755
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:21,180
string it I was thinking of turning it

756
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:22,410
inward because usually you're listening

757
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:23,850
for voice what about asking you

758
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:25,110
questions about yourself

759
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:26,820
it was exactly it's been used though if

760
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:28,140
you want me to do this you know write

761
00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:29,850
down but what I love to see is didn't

762
00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:31,320
have four different narratives that

763
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:32,670
result from a conversation with the

764
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:35,730
ghost box and see what the information

765
00:30:38,780 --> 00:30:37,500
in the narratives in terms of the

766
00:30:40,580 --> 00:30:38,790
questions people ask and then the

767
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:40,590
information that they get back all right

768
00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:42,120
I see if there's any commonality now

769
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:44,220
with Ryan's experience for he's talking

770
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:47,730
about again this this sensation he

771
00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:49,050
likens two hands on the back of his neck

772
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:50,790
I remember as a child though when my

773
00:30:54,050 --> 00:30:52,860
dad's father died I mean you know it was

774
00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:54,060
a kid that was the first time I had to

775
00:30:58,610 --> 00:30:56,760
really kind of experience the death of a

776
00:31:00,080 --> 00:30:58,620
immediate family member and then really

777
00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:00,090
you know screwed with me and the whole

778
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:02,190
family I was thinking about this just

779
00:31:06,590 --> 00:31:04,650
just the other day my father coming home

780
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:06,600
and he was so calm about it and how did

781
00:31:09,170 --> 00:31:08,310
you say hey guys you know Paul died

782
00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:09,180
today

783
00:31:13,220 --> 00:31:11,430
of course he's coping with the pain of

784
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,230
you know the loss of his own father

785
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:14,880
and meanwhile my little brother and I

786
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:17,130
are just I was in third grade or maybe

787
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:20,240
fourth grade and so I was just like

788
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:22,200
freaking out and I remember standing in

789
00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:23,820
there and everybody's crying and

790
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,740
everything but I yeah the same thing

791
00:31:30,050 --> 00:31:27,840
Ryan I mean to me and my little child

792
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:30,060
mine I felt you know great big hands

793
00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:32,250
resting exactly like you described right

794
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:34,950
there is though comforting you know

795
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:36,810
which again if we compare that to these

796
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:38,250
altered states I think it's fascinating

797
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,600
that the begin there is a certain

798
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,580
commonality to these experiences in the

799
00:31:45,890 --> 00:31:42,960
ways that people describe them and

800
00:31:47,390 --> 00:31:45,900
whatever the source of that again it's

801
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:47,400
the commonality of the experience what

802
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:49,290
purpose does that serve is it it is it a

803
00:31:52,769 --> 00:31:50,320
coping mechanism

804
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:52,779
is an actual interaction with something

805
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:55,090
is it yeah is it maybe a bit of both is

806
00:31:59,100 --> 00:31:56,710
it coming from within the mind is it an

807
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,110
external reality that we interact with

808
00:32:03,690 --> 00:32:01,600
them to perhaps a altered state I don't

809
00:32:05,730 --> 00:32:03,700
know but yeah those are the fascinating

810
00:32:07,529 --> 00:32:05,740
experiences do the commonality and yeah

811
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:07,539
yeah there was certainly a group altered

812
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:09,850
state while we were doing this yeah yeah

813
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:11,710
you go into a room yeah this is the cool

814
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:13,450
part is you know you did dim the lights

815
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:15,519
and so you've got a dark environment it

816
00:32:19,230 --> 00:32:17,289
really helped to have the mannequins all

817
00:32:21,629 --> 00:32:19,240
around the History Museum I think that

818
00:32:23,549 --> 00:32:21,639
yeah I felt like I was in an Eccleston

819
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:23,559
era Doctor Who episode you know if those

820
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,090
mannequins come in little life and chase

821
00:32:29,970 --> 00:32:27,840
an actress but it definitely is a

822
00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:29,980
altering kind of an experience it's a

823
00:32:33,749 --> 00:32:31,929
darker the citizen element of sensory

824
00:32:36,990 --> 00:32:33,759
deprivation to that yeah which is

825
00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:37,000
conducive to a little anxiety which

826
00:32:40,110 --> 00:32:38,500
makes you a little more on edge and you

827
00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:40,120
have four things happen but also you

828
00:32:43,259 --> 00:32:41,860
maybe are literally perceiving your

829
00:32:45,659 --> 00:32:43,269
environment a little differently maybe

830
00:32:48,210 --> 00:32:45,669
maybe that does actually open them on to

831
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:48,220
certain modes of perception that you

832
00:32:54,659 --> 00:32:50,110
know in our everyday waking awareness we

833
00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:54,669
we are you know there's another thing I

834
00:32:57,749 --> 00:32:55,990
noticed that that people saying oh it's

835
00:32:59,759 --> 00:32:57,759
cold over here this is a cold area and

836
00:33:02,519 --> 00:32:59,769
I'd go over there it's like no it's not

837
00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:02,529
but at one point

838
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:04,659
Dylan was walking away he said yeah it

839
00:33:08,639 --> 00:33:07,090
is cold there and I walked behind him it

840
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,649
was like I walked through a wall of air

841
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:11,200
conditioned air alright just in his wake

842
00:33:15,869 --> 00:33:14,559
that well poor Dylan because I joked you

843
00:33:18,029 --> 00:33:15,879
guys were there on that game I think I

844
00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:18,039
even put him up on stage with me once I

845
00:33:22,769 --> 00:33:20,470
joke about how I tormented him during

846
00:33:25,259 --> 00:33:22,779
haunt it and so did Holly and he gets

847
00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:25,269
sucked into this world living but one of

848
00:33:28,590 --> 00:33:26,409
the things that has consistently

849
00:33:29,999 --> 00:33:28,600
happened to me over the years and I tell

850
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:30,009
folks I think if there's something out

851
00:33:33,749 --> 00:33:31,990
there it interacts with us in different

852
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:33,759
ways it might be particular to us so

853
00:33:38,669 --> 00:33:35,620
find something and it's kind of your

854
00:33:40,110 --> 00:33:38,679
thing so it's like when some people play

855
00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:40,120
basketball they're good at layups some

856
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:41,470
people are good passers some people are

857
00:33:46,499 --> 00:33:43,450
good at jump shots you know me it's cold

858
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:46,509
I so Dylan has developed because he he's

859
00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:48,610
stuck with me this cold started hitting

860
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:51,070
him I saw him in a couple episodes we

861
00:33:54,899 --> 00:33:53,110
film the shivers down the spine like he

862
00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:54,909
was frightened you could see him he was

863
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:56,350
just a like I don't know what's

864
00:33:59,549 --> 00:33:57,970
happening to me and we'd hold

865
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,559
temperature gauges next to make your

866
00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:01,360
temperatures the same right here next

867
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:02,950
your hand is the room temperature

868
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:05,289
there's nothing we done of us feel cold

869
00:34:07,859 --> 00:34:06,700
and heat stand in the middle of the room

870
00:34:09,539 --> 00:34:07,869
it's actually one of the more

871
00:34:11,129 --> 00:34:09,549
frightening scenes that in the whole

872
00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:11,139
series when he's and you see this guy

873
00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:12,790
who went in as a skeptic like this is a

874
00:34:17,069 --> 00:34:14,980
gig you know Paul's a friend and he's

875
00:34:19,649 --> 00:34:17,079
paying me to do this cool to be a camera

876
00:34:20,730 --> 00:34:19,659
guy and this is now I fight a buck for

877
00:34:23,730 --> 00:34:20,740
every time he said this is not what I

878
00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:23,740
signed up for oh yeah he said it again

879
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:25,720
this weekend yeah he's against like this

880
00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:27,790
is not what I kind of signed up for but

881
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:29,230
it opened his mind to all the

882
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:31,089
possibilities so he never met Mac Tony's

883
00:34:35,819 --> 00:34:33,970
butt so he had no real understanding of

884
00:34:38,309 --> 00:34:35,829
when we did the Queens County Museum

885
00:34:42,180 --> 00:34:38,319
episode I tried to conjure Mac Tony's

886
00:34:43,649 --> 00:34:42,190
long story but Mac and I before he died

887
00:34:45,299 --> 00:34:43,659
we went for a long drive here in Halifax

888
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:45,309
and we kind of joked that you know we

889
00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:46,510
thought it'd be 50 years in the future

890
00:34:50,099 --> 00:34:48,460
but whichever one of us went first hey

891
00:34:52,530 --> 00:34:50,109
come back and you know show the other

892
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:52,540
one so when I was doing this series this

893
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:54,490
summer I finally decided there was this

894
00:34:58,260 --> 00:34:56,530
room the void upstairs in the museum

895
00:35:00,780 --> 00:34:58,270
that has all these mannequins like Greg

896
00:35:02,309 --> 00:35:00,790
said and without heads so I said well

897
00:35:03,660 --> 00:35:02,319
this is cool I had rear Admirals or

898
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:03,670
grott at the time you know the stuffed

899
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:05,410
duck that Mac knew and loved as well as

900
00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:08,049
as much as I do he's here tonight and I

901
00:35:10,530 --> 00:35:09,369
had all these mannequins I said I'm

902
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:10,540
never gonna try and call down the

903
00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:11,890
spiritum act on these this is cool

904
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:15,640
mannequins the stuff duck done and as

905
00:35:19,950 --> 00:35:18,490
soon as I did that and I thought he you

906
00:35:20,490 --> 00:35:19,960
know the duck would move as a trigger

907
00:35:22,289 --> 00:35:20,500
object

908
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,299
I hear Holly downstairs going Paul are

909
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:23,680
you doing anything up there right now

910
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,650
and I went yeah I'm sort of doing

911
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:28,720
something and she said what are you

912
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:32,049
doing I said well I felt bad I said she

913
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:33,760
knew Mac and it's like I'm kind of

914
00:35:36,750 --> 00:35:35,170
trying to call down the spirit of Mac

915
00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:36,760
Tony's which I thought sounded lame when

916
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:39,430
I said it and I heard this pause and

917
00:35:43,170 --> 00:35:41,170
it's like you need to come down here now

918
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:43,180
so I go down and they're sitting in the

919
00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:44,890
activity room which is where this thing

920
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:46,390
Brian was talking about happened and

921
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:49,839
there's our REM pod and the which is a

922
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:51,490
device that if you walk by it it lights

923
00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:53,500
up kind of thing it reacts to movements

924
00:35:58,620 --> 00:35:55,540
by and the ideas if it goes by and it'll

925
00:36:00,839 --> 00:35:58,630
loop but there is a temperature change

926
00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:00,849
light on it as well which will go red

927
00:36:04,410 --> 00:36:02,920
it'll bleep Brad if it go if it's going

928
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:04,420
up and it's a bleep blue if it's going

929
00:36:07,789 --> 00:36:06,010
down the one thing it's not supposed to

930
00:36:10,589 --> 00:36:07,799
do is stay on one of those colors

931
00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:10,599
consistently or have one of those colors

932
00:36:15,299 --> 00:36:12,460
seemingly interact with you if you're

933
00:36:16,339 --> 00:36:15,309
asking it questions long story short the

934
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:16,349
color was blue

935
00:36:21,319 --> 00:36:19,410
Holley was aware that blue was max color

936
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:21,329
he called his blog the posthuman blues

937
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:24,180
and so we sat down and she said you were

938
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:26,729
trying to call them mac tony's tony's as

939
00:36:31,249 --> 00:36:28,470
soon as you were doing that this thing

940
00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:31,259
blue and it's been blue it you know look

941
00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:32,579
for the last minute or two it's just not

942
00:36:36,469 --> 00:36:34,380
moving it's staying on yeah and i should

943
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:36,479
only ever blink right just so we you

944
00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:37,890
know check it off we pulled the

945
00:36:40,249 --> 00:36:39,630
batteries out we checked everything turn

946
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,259
it back on

947
00:36:44,539 --> 00:36:42,420
mmm there goes the blue again should not

948
00:36:46,249 --> 00:36:44,549
be doing that so we sat down past

949
00:36:47,569 --> 00:36:46,259
started asking some questions and i

950
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:47,579
would if you're familiar with star trek

951
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:48,720
there's an episode in the original

952
00:36:52,249 --> 00:36:50,579
series where Captain Christopher Pike

953
00:36:54,140 --> 00:36:52,259
because it's burned in a terrible

954
00:36:56,749 --> 00:36:54,150
accident can only answer he's like

955
00:36:59,660 --> 00:36:56,759
little buttons lights bleep and a sound

956
00:37:01,309 --> 00:36:59,670
one bleep for yes two bleeps if no and

957
00:37:04,249 --> 00:37:01,319
Kirk's yeah they ask him questions that

958
00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:04,259
way so I said cool okay one beep one

959
00:37:08,509 --> 00:37:07,140
flash for yes two flashes for no and we

960
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:08,519
went through that all back then they'll

961
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:09,450
be on television

962
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:12,720
funny thing so last night and Ryan was

963
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,700
part of this Greg you came in we're part

964
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:16,079
of it night before last

965
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,430
I'm sorry the night before last same

966
00:37:21,859 --> 00:37:18,960
night as the Lucy thing night of high

967
00:37:23,479 --> 00:37:21,869
activity a game room I had gone back up

968
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,489
in the void almost the same process

969
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:25,200
mannequins are still there while all

970
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:26,940
they're they're doing this Lucy thing up

971
00:37:31,940 --> 00:37:28,380
there I go look Mac I'm gonna try again

972
00:37:34,309 --> 00:37:31,950
if you're here and they left the

973
00:37:34,789 --> 00:37:34,319
activity room I walked in alone with the

974
00:37:37,759 --> 00:37:34,799
rem-pod

975
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:37,769
set it down turned it on waited a couple

976
00:37:41,959 --> 00:37:39,089
minutes that's it Mac if you're out

977
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:41,969
there come on like come on in you know

978
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,410
because some of your other friends are

979
00:37:47,509 --> 00:37:45,599
here tonight like Greg and Brian people

980
00:37:49,309 --> 00:37:47,519
who knew you and or at least if they

981
00:37:52,729 --> 00:37:49,319
didn't know you liked your work and

982
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:52,739
respected you and boom on comes the blue

983
00:37:57,559 --> 00:37:55,920
light so I immediately yell for Dylan

984
00:38:00,529 --> 00:37:57,569
who was part of the previous experience

985
00:38:02,329 --> 00:38:00,539
and I'm like you gotta get in here and

986
00:38:03,769 --> 00:38:02,339
he walks in and Dylan's first can I

987
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:03,779
swear in your show of course I swear

988
00:38:07,009 --> 00:38:05,369
your swellings first reaction he walks

989
00:38:10,309 --> 00:38:07,019
around the corner he goes holy [\h__\h]

990
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:10,319
because he the only time this device had

991
00:38:14,749 --> 00:38:12,210
done this in the 13 episodes we've used

992
00:38:16,759 --> 00:38:14,759
it or when we've tested it here was when

993
00:38:19,069 --> 00:38:16,769
I did the Mac Tony's thing in this

994
00:38:20,749 --> 00:38:19,079
location here just doing it again so I

995
00:38:22,999 --> 00:38:20,759
think Ryan was the next one in

996
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:23,009
yeah well Dylan and I we heard something

997
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:25,110
when we were in another room

998
00:38:29,780 --> 00:38:27,690
and he and I immediately shot up and we

999
00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:29,790
were like did you hear that yeah and he

1000
00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:31,800
and I ran out and that's when we found

1001
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:34,920
you I think it you know you might have

1002
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:36,540
heard for all I know me it might have

1003
00:38:40,850 --> 00:38:38,910
been you knowing that that's when we ran

1004
00:38:42,140 --> 00:38:40,860
in here so I explained this to you I

1005
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:42,150
kind of go through the history of it

1006
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:43,740
briefly and I and the lights long ago

1007
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:45,540
look here's what I'm gonna do one for

1008
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:47,730
yes two for no look I need you to start

1009
00:38:51,860 --> 00:38:50,130
bleeping like moving yeah and then the

1010
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:51,870
light you know little pause and then the

1011
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:55,230
light starts off not and long story

1012
00:38:58,460 --> 00:38:56,970
short folks don't monopolize the

1013
00:39:00,380 --> 00:38:58,470
conversation I eventually got around to

1014
00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:00,390
asking it a question and the question

1015
00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:03,270
was is that you Mac and are you [\h__\h]

1016
00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:03,780
with me

1017
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:06,060
puh and as soon as I not even done with

1018
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,570
the me yeah it went bleep yes after

1019
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:11,760
having been solid glue is like well whoa

1020
00:39:16,340 --> 00:39:14,610
yeah kind of thing I saw that one

1021
00:39:18,590 --> 00:39:16,350
actually yeah and you know then there

1022
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:18,600
was some more stuff and at one point

1023
00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:20,700
then we heard a sound from upstairs in

1024
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:23,070
the void area where the mannequins were

1025
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:25,050
where there should be no movement no

1026
00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:26,850
sounds at all there was nobody up there

1027
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:30,150
like something was moved during the Lucy

1028
00:39:35,570 --> 00:39:32,790
thing we kept hearing upstairs yeah we

1029
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:35,580
kept hearing knocks and bangs yeah I

1030
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:38,130
don't think you were up there then I was

1031
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:40,260
oh Anders on which section of the void

1032
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:42,090
you had heard it from okay if it was

1033
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:44,730
coming over your head wasn't me it was

1034
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:46,380
coming from further down it was coming

1035
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,910
from different place now well some of

1036
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:49,440
you might be some was above us some was

1037
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:50,400
over here well I wouldn't have been

1038
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:52,050
above you wouldn't hit me because I was

1039
00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:53,490
stationary for the whole thing down in

1040
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:56,190
the corner brain anyway so yeah you know

1041
00:39:59,660 --> 00:39:57,810
that to me the Lucy thing I wasn't there

1042
00:40:01,160 --> 00:39:59,670
for I could just hear you guys but to be

1043
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:01,170
able to go back and to replicate an

1044
00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:04,260
experience whatever was in the same

1045
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,060
place with different people

1046
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:08,400
no Holly this time she's hiking me the

1047
00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:10,710
Inca Trail but now it's Ryan and Greg

1048
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:12,300
and Dylan and I are the common

1049
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:14,010
denominators here but different people

1050
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:16,710
come in and you know have the same thing

1051
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:18,570
sort of happened freaky I don't know if

1052
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:20,490
it was Mac Tony's I just know that I

1053
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:22,410
wouldn't write that possibility off

1054
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:24,330
because it's the kind of thing that he

1055
00:40:28,340 --> 00:40:26,970
would that he would do if he had the

1056
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:28,350
ability to do it if he was out there

1057
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:30,270
what's really interesting about it is

1058
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:32,310
that you were in a unique position to

1059
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:34,320
have had that talk with Mac well you

1060
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:36,210
know if one of us it was first that's

1061
00:40:38,089 --> 00:40:37,650
how you know like literature as it

1062
00:40:40,579 --> 00:40:38,099
relates

1063
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:40,589
- you know ghosts and manifestations and

1064
00:40:45,799 --> 00:40:44,339
the spiritual son you know nature it's

1065
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:45,809
rife with stories like that where

1066
00:40:48,979 --> 00:40:47,700
somebody says you know if I'm the first

1067
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:48,989
one to go I'm gonna try and reach out

1068
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:50,910
I'm going to contact you you know Arthur

1069
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:53,729
Conan Doyle I think it really sought to

1070
00:40:58,729 --> 00:40:56,880
well actually he believed famously in

1071
00:41:00,140 --> 00:40:58,739
spiritual spiritualism and of course you

1072
00:41:01,969 --> 00:41:00,150
know the idea of ghosts and the

1073
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:01,979
afterlife and his wife of course had

1074
00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:03,960
been a bit of a medium Harry Houdini is

1075
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:05,579
the one who had hoped to communicate

1076
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:07,710
with his mother and work with Arthur

1077
00:41:11,479 --> 00:41:09,180
Conan Doyle and his wife and was just

1078
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:11,489
not impressed with you know mediumship

1079
00:41:14,299 --> 00:41:13,079
it really drove him to skepticism but

1080
00:41:17,509 --> 00:41:14,309
there well then he made the same deal

1081
00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:17,519
with his wife yeah yeah and there are

1082
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:20,940
yeah and there are the there was another

1083
00:41:25,969 --> 00:41:22,650
great story for instance that you know

1084
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:25,979
for instance what was his name Jack he

1085
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:27,450
was a country singer and the night his

1086
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:30,930
name slips mind just it was Jack oh gosh

1087
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:33,690
I'll think of it but Jim Harold and

1088
00:41:37,069 --> 00:41:35,400
podcaster Jim Hales the guy who told me

1089
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,079
this story this is just one of the most

1090
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:39,680
interesting stories about a guy who

1091
00:41:46,059 --> 00:41:43,380
again apparently was able to reach

1092
00:41:48,859 --> 00:41:46,069
across from beyond and and years later

1093
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:48,869
communicates to a friend a very specific

1094
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:50,130
message

1095
00:41:54,349 --> 00:41:51,660
the drummer's drummer and he can't keep

1096
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:54,359
the beat oh yeah good showing that

1097
00:41:57,769 --> 00:41:56,249
beginning off to look that story up and

1098
00:42:00,019 --> 00:41:57,779
everything but you know the proper

1099
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:00,029
context but again the only point I'm

1100
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:02,130
making is that you have Paul were in

1101
00:42:06,529 --> 00:42:04,440
that very unusual experience or in that

1102
00:42:08,299 --> 00:42:06,539
that unique position to be able to have

1103
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:08,309
that talk with Mack and then you're able

1104
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:10,710
to well you know carry out an experiment

1105
00:42:14,890 --> 00:42:11,940
like that that makes it a little more

1106
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:14,900
meaningful to me and also again kind of

1107
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:16,920
justifies the idea that you know it was

1108
00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:18,900
Mack but it definitely puts the you know

1109
00:42:23,059 --> 00:42:20,670
kind of lays the groundwork for a unique

1110
00:42:25,339 --> 00:42:23,069
situation that could involve that yeah

1111
00:42:27,049 --> 00:42:25,349
and then we went upstairs and I was

1112
00:42:29,299 --> 00:42:27,059
going to say folks can go to the radio

1113
00:42:31,309 --> 00:42:29,309
Mysterio's to Facebook page I'm posting

1114
00:42:34,339 --> 00:42:31,319
a picture now of what you're I think

1115
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:34,349
about to describe well I'll let Paul

1116
00:42:39,259 --> 00:42:36,900
post that but we went upstairs Dylan and

1117
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:39,269
Paul and I took the what's it called a

1118
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,460
rem-pod yeah the rem-pod which is ironic

1119
00:42:46,329 --> 00:42:43,440
as Max Faget van was not the Smiths

1120
00:42:47,709 --> 00:42:46,339
what's our estimates but it was REM

1121
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:47,719
rather the name of this device is

1122
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:51,920
actually the parent pause REM - PID I

1123
00:42:58,839 --> 00:42:54,890
can just seem that that one yes so we

1124
00:43:00,189 --> 00:42:58,849
went upstairs and we're right next to

1125
00:43:01,839 --> 00:43:00,199
the mannequins yep

1126
00:43:04,449 --> 00:43:01,849
and nothing's going on with the thing

1127
00:43:06,759 --> 00:43:04,459
and then Dylan decides and there's a

1128
00:43:08,799 --> 00:43:06,769
taller one that's standing up yeah and

1129
00:43:11,019 --> 00:43:08,809
it sits above all the other ones so it's

1130
00:43:13,479 --> 00:43:11,029
a very level mannequin and it has no

1131
00:43:14,799 --> 00:43:13,489
head so above the shoulders it's just

1132
00:43:16,839 --> 00:43:14,809
you'll see in the photo on the radio

1133
00:43:18,699 --> 00:43:16,849
Mysterio so Facebook page it's just like

1134
00:43:21,219 --> 00:43:18,709
you could put something on that if you

1135
00:43:23,650 --> 00:43:21,229
wanted to instead of a head and I had

1136
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:23,660
never thought to do this but that's why

1137
00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:25,369
doing this with other people to school

1138
00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:26,900
you can get different ideas let's try

1139
00:43:32,589 --> 00:43:29,150
this I thought it was was it you that

1140
00:43:35,170 --> 00:43:32,599
suggested this or Dylan Dylan just did

1141
00:43:36,939 --> 00:43:35,180
it oh right okay put the rem-pod

1142
00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:36,949
on where the head should have been as a

1143
00:43:39,819 --> 00:43:38,420
mannequin yeah he just went and put it

1144
00:43:41,769 --> 00:43:39,829
over there and I was thinking that's a

1145
00:43:44,349 --> 00:43:41,779
good idea and as soon as he put it on

1146
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:44,359
top of the thing the light came on I

1147
00:43:49,739 --> 00:43:45,650
don't think there was any sound though

1148
00:43:52,179 --> 00:43:49,749
no no it was playing Scottish thank you

1149
00:43:54,429 --> 00:43:52,189
which is a I don't want a totally

1150
00:43:56,410 --> 00:43:54,439
different story the Mac thing the Sunnis

1151
00:43:58,029 --> 00:43:56,420
put on it had been off we turn it off

1152
00:44:00,459 --> 00:43:58,039
we'd walked away we kind of closed that

1153
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:00,469
session out say goodbye to Mac but then

1154
00:44:03,099 --> 00:44:01,910
Dylan said look let's go out you know we

1155
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:03,109
all thought let's go up into the void

1156
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:04,609
and I want to show Greg the mannequins

1157
00:44:08,499 --> 00:44:07,249
to the void is the Attic right which if

1158
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,509
you close if you turn the lights off

1159
00:44:11,650 --> 00:44:10,400
because there's no external source of

1160
00:44:14,289 --> 00:44:11,660
light there's there's not even a

1161
00:44:16,419 --> 00:44:14,299
security light up there it is a void you

1162
00:44:17,739 --> 00:44:16,429
can't you really can't see so you have

1163
00:44:20,499 --> 00:44:17,749
to take flashlights if you want light

1164
00:44:21,969 --> 00:44:20,509
and plus it's a cool name it sounds

1165
00:44:24,459 --> 00:44:21,979
better than the archival attic or

1166
00:44:26,709 --> 00:44:24,469
whatever so so as soon as you put it

1167
00:44:29,229 --> 00:44:26,719
though on the rem-pod on top of the

1168
00:44:32,739 --> 00:44:29,239
mannequin on this head the blue light

1169
00:44:35,469 --> 00:44:32,749
came on and it's like for Americans like

1170
00:44:37,539 --> 00:44:35,479
80 degrees up there yes so this is the

1171
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:37,549
blue light that indicates a temperature

1172
00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:40,130
drop and there was no temperature drop

1173
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:41,900
it was actually significantly hotter up

1174
00:44:45,429 --> 00:44:43,369
in the attic than it was down in the

1175
00:44:47,890 --> 00:44:45,439
just the ambient temperature down on the

1176
00:44:49,449 --> 00:44:47,900
first floor so so it stayed on he took

1177
00:44:51,939 --> 00:44:49,459
it off the mannequin and I believe it

1178
00:44:53,859 --> 00:44:51,949
turned off yes leaving the thing on he

1179
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:53,869
put it back on the mannequin in the side

1180
00:44:58,530 --> 00:44:55,450
attic and it went back on again

1181
00:45:00,900 --> 00:44:58,540
yeah then we went you know we tired of

1182
00:45:04,740 --> 00:45:00,910
this and went downstairs as we're going

1183
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,750
downstairs the thing I believe it

1184
00:45:08,789 --> 00:45:06,480
blinked red when we were in the in the

1185
00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:08,799
coming down the stairs and when we got

1186
00:45:12,450 --> 00:45:10,540
out of the Attic into the cooler lower

1187
00:45:14,490 --> 00:45:12,460
room and blinked to blue again right if

1188
00:45:16,589 --> 00:45:14,500
I get supposed to sure we moved away

1189
00:45:18,809 --> 00:45:16,599
from skal at the Mac tawny zone up in

1190
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:18,819
the in the void and then blinks red

1191
00:45:22,740 --> 00:45:20,650
because yes there's a temperature rise

1192
00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:22,750
to the normal ambient temperature and

1193
00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:24,460
when we go back downstairs there's a bit

1194
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:26,020
of a cooling it's cooler blink blue

1195
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:28,200
that's how it's supposed to behave and

1196
00:45:31,859 --> 00:45:29,770
and that's great

1197
00:45:33,539 --> 00:45:31,869
and so Dylan and I went in the second

1198
00:45:35,490 --> 00:45:33,549
night that last night and we said look

1199
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,500
let's try this one more time just as

1200
00:45:40,530 --> 00:45:37,599
we're leaving set it up in the activity

1201
00:45:42,059 --> 00:45:40,540
room and we said you know what we both

1202
00:45:43,859 --> 00:45:42,069
of us said we kind of hope nothing

1203
00:45:44,849 --> 00:45:43,869
happens because if something happens the

1204
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,859
same thing happens again

1205
00:45:49,170 --> 00:45:47,200
maybe I we have no idea what it is but

1206
00:45:52,260 --> 00:45:49,180
maybe this is just something about this

1207
00:45:55,740 --> 00:45:52,270
room we don't know and so we sat down

1208
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:55,750
did the nothing nothing happened and we

1209
00:45:59,579 --> 00:45:57,970
sort of said thanks Mac because by

1210
00:46:01,980 --> 00:45:59,589
having nothing happened this time

1211
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,990
it helped confirm that what happened the

1212
00:46:06,089 --> 00:46:03,520
other two times was maybe something

1213
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:06,099
anomalous and special mm-hm as opposed

1214
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:07,359
to something that just happened because

1215
00:46:11,970 --> 00:46:10,390
you do it in this place so yeah that was

1216
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,980
kind of cool too sometimes when nothing

1217
00:46:15,809 --> 00:46:14,079
happens it's actually better than when

1218
00:46:17,849 --> 00:46:15,819
something happen no sure yeah because

1219
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:17,859
you may have transient phenomena which

1220
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:18,970
is what you hope for not something

1221
00:46:21,930 --> 00:46:20,230
that's gonna be a consistent feature

1222
00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:21,940
electromagnetic or otherwise that's

1223
00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:24,280
relative to that environment that's one

1224
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:25,240
of the big things you know I remember

1225
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:26,890
for years I did a lot of this stuff and

1226
00:46:31,140 --> 00:46:28,770
it's very true I got a little jaded

1227
00:46:32,819 --> 00:46:31,150
because we'd go in somebody's house and

1228
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,829
I'd be watching you know I'm gonna put

1229
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,240
the air quotes for this one Ghost

1230
00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:36,400
Hunters you know with EMF detectors

1231
00:46:40,109 --> 00:46:38,680
walking around and they'll be walking in

1232
00:46:41,579 --> 00:46:40,119
front of a wall saying my gosh look at

1233
00:46:43,170 --> 00:46:41,589
this revealing so many readings right

1234
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:43,180
here's something about this area someone

1235
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:44,260
died right here on the other side of the

1236
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,690
wall there's a big-screen TV yeah and

1237
00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:49,119
you got a really uh faulty wiring in old

1238
00:46:54,809 --> 00:46:51,940
homes that was a real fun gag and yeah I

1239
00:46:56,670 --> 00:46:54,819
got extremely skeptical and and jaded

1240
00:46:58,140 --> 00:46:56,680
and I even walked into the experiences

1241
00:47:00,030 --> 00:46:58,150
this weekend with a bit of that attitude

1242
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,040
my stuff although I'm never just a down

1243
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,319
player I mean I'm fascinated to see

1244
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:04,960
these kind of things and then Plus you

1245
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:05,890
know again not just

1246
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:07,330
you know blow smoke up somebody's your

1247
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:09,010
in but I me also know the character of

1248
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:11,530
Paul you know and I know you know the

1249
00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:13,690
merit of your thought and your you know

1250
00:47:17,310 --> 00:47:15,430
you were looking frankly your

1251
00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:17,320
thoughtfulness is applied to the

1252
00:47:20,730 --> 00:47:19,420
unexplained so if Paul says hey I'm

1253
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:20,740
going to be doing a TV show about ghost

1254
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:22,510
hunting the first thing I said to him I

1255
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:23,950
said can i watch that in America I would

1256
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:25,570
actually watch a show I know Paul

1257
00:47:29,310 --> 00:47:27,250
Campbell's involved because another way

1258
00:47:31,350 --> 00:47:29,320
that you know his his approach is going

1259
00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:31,360
to probably you know be and it's exactly

1260
00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:33,070
as I thought it would be it's not spooky

1261
00:47:36,990 --> 00:47:35,470
music and you know cheap scares it's

1262
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:37,000
this we filmed what we went in there and

1263
00:47:40,590 --> 00:47:39,010
what we did so last night I mean

1264
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:40,600
honestly I was actually kind of

1265
00:47:43,650 --> 00:47:42,010
impressed by a few things that happened

1266
00:47:46,410 --> 00:47:43,660
which is very atypical for me and those

1267
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:46,420
experiences at one point Paul is sitting

1268
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:48,130
with the with the Ghost Box and actually

1269
00:47:50,940 --> 00:47:49,570
said is there somebody else in this room

1270
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:50,950
that you would like to talk to Ryan or

1271
00:47:56,370 --> 00:47:53,110
Greg or somebody we all heard it go Myka

1272
00:48:04,650 --> 00:47:56,380
and when I heard did you see what I did

1273
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,660
I hear none left that was mica every

1274
00:48:08,250 --> 00:48:06,400
head well nothing down like yeah this is

1275
00:48:11,070 --> 00:48:08,260
how the confirmation bias we want

1276
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:11,080
everybody everybody I mean I did too and

1277
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:13,090
I can't you know no Matt no amount of

1278
00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:14,890
skepticism can rule that out we were all

1279
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:18,100
in agreement it said like so I go sit

1280
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,810
down and everything and and beyond that

1281
00:48:22,830 --> 00:48:21,280
it wasn't all that eventful it was

1282
00:48:24,570 --> 00:48:22,840
almost like the again like this

1283
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:24,580
prankster is kind of okay who's the most

1284
00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:26,530
skeptical get Micah over here yeah that

1285
00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:28,270
kind of thing and sometimes you know

1286
00:48:30,930 --> 00:48:29,950
that's what's not only fun but so

1287
00:48:32,550 --> 00:48:30,940
interesting to me about these

1288
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:32,560
experiences is that there is this almost

1289
00:48:36,780 --> 00:48:34,270
not maybe antagonism but like you're

1290
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:36,790
describing with the going into the

1291
00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:38,770
Thames and we'll call it maybe you know

1292
00:48:43,380 --> 00:48:41,500
the that almost that kind of playful

1293
00:48:45,150 --> 00:48:43,390
interaction yeah and you know it's

1294
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:45,160
important we debunk some stuff too oh

1295
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,510
yeah so last night there was a lady

1296
00:48:50,610 --> 00:48:48,880
there and we gave her a flare gun which

1297
00:48:52,350 --> 00:48:50,620
if you pointed at a particular spot or

1298
00:48:53,730 --> 00:48:52,360
person it'll give you the surface

1299
00:48:56,490 --> 00:48:53,740
temperature of whatever that thing is

1300
00:49:01,890 --> 00:48:56,500
it's raffiq person and representation at

1301
00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:01,900
a pictorial represented at so yeah if

1302
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:03,160
you pointed it at a wall and the whole

1303
00:49:08,180 --> 00:49:06,310
wall is is reddish because it's hot and

1304
00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:08,190
then the shape of what looks to be a

1305
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:11,230
blue person shows up well that might be

1306
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:12,400
interesting to you ever see something

1307
00:49:16,780 --> 00:49:14,920
like that yeah a completely dark room

1308
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:16,790
right Holly might have once

1309
00:49:20,050 --> 00:49:18,470
but this lady's pointing it up at the

1310
00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:20,060
ceiling and it's towards the end of the

1311
00:49:24,070 --> 00:49:22,070
night and Greg and I walk in it's on the

1312
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,080
run this ship this replica of

1313
00:49:28,270 --> 00:49:26,480
privateering ship and she's Linda Rafe

1314
00:49:29,650 --> 00:49:28,280
you said Polly come over here take a

1315
00:49:31,450 --> 00:49:29,660
look at this and she's pointing it up

1316
00:49:33,150 --> 00:49:31,460
and sure enough there it is and amidst

1317
00:49:37,780 --> 00:49:33,160
the red there's this giant glowing

1318
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:37,790
orange ball and okay interesting and

1319
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:39,050
then she says then yeah there's another

1320
00:49:42,430 --> 00:49:40,670
one right over here and it moves and

1321
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,440
she's doing this I'm watching her move

1322
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:44,000
her hand I don't know it's it's like bad

1323
00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:46,190
UFO footage it's not moving you're

1324
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:48,260
moving the camera this is a stationary

1325
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:50,210
object but so she says what we do what

1326
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:51,230
do you think that is and I'm looking

1327
00:49:55,450 --> 00:49:52,850
around go hmm and I start pointing it at

1328
00:49:57,850 --> 00:49:55,460
the ceiling fans and I get to myself I

1329
00:49:59,020 --> 00:49:57,860
say I think that's probably the motor in

1330
00:50:00,520 --> 00:49:59,030
the center of the ceiling fan but you

1331
00:50:01,570 --> 00:50:00,530
know what there's another ceiling fan at

1332
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:01,580
the far end of the room we'll walk down

1333
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:03,890
there and I think Greg ran into Greg

1334
00:50:07,660 --> 00:50:05,570
down there I said it walk down together

1335
00:50:10,510 --> 00:50:07,670
there I'm sure enough there it is again

1336
00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:10,520
so as we're walking back we both agree

1337
00:50:14,170 --> 00:50:13,070
like yeah it's the same like turn to

1338
00:50:15,790 --> 00:50:14,180
Greg and I said look I'm not going to

1339
00:50:17,650 --> 00:50:15,800
tell them that I don't have to kill joy

1340
00:50:20,260 --> 00:50:17,660
at the party and then two seconds later

1341
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:20,270
go now [\h__\h] I'm gonna tell ya apart I

1342
00:50:24,910 --> 00:50:22,310
said yes you should tell us that part of

1343
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:24,920
this in the show nicely yes in the show

1344
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:27,290
we would definitely do that but here I

1345
00:50:30,550 --> 00:50:28,910
didn't you know it's a group thing and

1346
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:30,560
everyone's having a good time but part

1347
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:31,910
of having a good time and as I tried to

1348
00:50:35,620 --> 00:50:33,950
explain to our on the boat is if you can

1349
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:35,630
rule things out and say this isn't

1350
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:39,050
anything you know anomalous then like

1351
00:50:43,330 --> 00:50:41,690
nine times out of ten or 99 times out of

1352
00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:43,340
a hundred you can do that which makes

1353
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:45,470
the one time that you can honest and

1354
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:47,930
special and she didn't see it that way

1355
00:50:52,420 --> 00:50:50,900
so she you know there wasn't an argument

1356
00:50:54,010 --> 00:50:52,430
but there was a discussion where she

1357
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:54,020
said well no I think you're wrong and

1358
00:50:57,730 --> 00:50:55,520
I'm trying to explain it and show her

1359
00:50:59,890 --> 00:50:57,740
and she just wouldn't budge and so I

1360
00:51:02,080 --> 00:50:59,900
finally said well you know we put see

1361
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:02,090
that's Pete folks people see things

1362
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:03,290
differently we all have different

1363
00:51:08,290 --> 00:51:05,510
interpretations I was being Canadian as

1364
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:08,300
being as polite as I could and what did

1365
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:11,570
she say Greg she had something about

1366
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:12,710
well you have to agree to disagree

1367
00:51:16,690 --> 00:51:14,930
because I don't I don't think that's I

1368
00:51:18,910 --> 00:51:16,700
don't think it's the fans even though

1369
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:18,920
she was she was pointing it right at the

1370
00:51:25,210 --> 00:51:22,250
fan and the other fan yeah I think

1371
00:51:27,250 --> 00:51:25,220
that's the challenge we all face too you

1372
00:51:29,319 --> 00:51:27,260
know let's take for instance the Fox

1373
00:51:31,449 --> 00:51:29,329
Mulder poster I want to believe

1374
00:51:33,459 --> 00:51:31,459
if all of us in this room I think want

1375
00:51:35,650 --> 00:51:33,469
to believe in all of this stuff

1376
00:51:38,709 --> 00:51:35,660
everything we talked about this weekend

1377
00:51:40,660 --> 00:51:38,719
our main focus of UFOs some of us we

1378
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:40,670
want to believe but we don't need to

1379
00:51:46,539 --> 00:51:43,430
believe you know we find like you said

1380
00:51:49,029 --> 00:51:46,549
more of an excitement in maybe debunking

1381
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:49,039
or just finding a prosaic or

1382
00:51:55,630 --> 00:51:53,599
conventional explanation for things it's

1383
00:51:57,609 --> 00:51:55,640
just kind of like okay I can put that

1384
00:51:59,079 --> 00:51:57,619
one away and start looking for things

1385
00:52:00,489 --> 00:51:59,089
that was that was the whole point of

1386
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:00,499
project beta everything you're trying to

1387
00:52:05,529 --> 00:52:02,930
debunk a drama it's like no yeah let's

1388
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:05,539
get rid of the things that we know are

1389
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,609
fake so we can keep concentrating on

1390
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,680
things that aren't and find out what

1391
00:52:14,019 --> 00:52:11,119
those might would be and that's a

1392
00:52:16,059 --> 00:52:14,029
beautiful contrast to being a person who

1393
00:52:17,709 --> 00:52:16,069
is skeptical in the sense that we go

1394
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:17,719
into this knowing that there's

1395
00:52:21,549 --> 00:52:19,910
absolutely nothing outside the range of

1396
00:52:23,279 --> 00:52:21,559
the average human experience and nothing

1397
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:23,289
that can be easily explained within that

1398
00:52:27,609 --> 00:52:25,910
context and therefore we priests you

1399
00:52:29,650 --> 00:52:27,619
know we presume that whatever we study

1400
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:29,660
there's a logical explanation and

1401
00:52:33,309 --> 00:52:31,729
therefore we will no matter what 100% of

1402
00:52:35,049 --> 00:52:33,319
the time debunk it I'm skeptical of that

1403
00:52:37,779 --> 00:52:35,059
kind of skepticism because there is an

1404
00:52:39,069 --> 00:52:37,789
obvious innate bias to it you know a

1405
00:52:41,229 --> 00:52:39,079
good skeptic on the other hand like

1406
00:52:43,089 --> 00:52:41,239
you're describing Greg let's go into

1407
00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:43,099
this let's absolutely try to be

1408
00:52:46,420 --> 00:52:44,630
skeptical let's be willing to rule that

1409
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:46,430
all that can be ruled out and explained

1410
00:52:50,709 --> 00:52:48,079
but be open to the possibility that some

1411
00:52:55,180 --> 00:52:50,719
things might not fit the simple

1412
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:55,190
designation of prosaic there are perhaps

1413
00:52:58,900 --> 00:52:57,170
things you know again whether those

1414
00:53:01,329 --> 00:52:58,910
things come from within or they're

1415
00:53:03,309 --> 00:53:01,339
indeed in the environment whatever that

1416
00:53:05,259 --> 00:53:03,319
is there is an experience to be had and

1417
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:05,269
studied there yeah and as Paul said at

1418
00:53:11,439 --> 00:53:09,049
the end of the we had a very fruitful

1419
00:53:13,420 --> 00:53:11,449
and fun beakers panel at the end of the

1420
00:53:15,699 --> 00:53:13,430
conference today as Paul said at the end

1421
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:15,709
you have to be willing to say I don't

1422
00:53:21,579 --> 00:53:19,249
know I always have that in your back

1423
00:53:23,979 --> 00:53:21,589
pocket I don't know and if people aren't

1424
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:23,989
satisfied with that tough well you're

1425
00:53:26,650 --> 00:53:25,249
doing it you're not doing it for other

1426
00:53:28,449 --> 00:53:26,660
people you're doing it for yourself

1427
00:53:30,370 --> 00:53:28,459
Greg always likes to not take credit but

1428
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:30,380
to be fair Greg said that 50 times

1429
00:53:35,890 --> 00:53:34,249
during his lecture stress I don't know I

1430
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:35,900
don't know we don't know it's these are

1431
00:53:40,509 --> 00:53:39,049
so I was just borrowing from Greg but

1432
00:53:41,799 --> 00:53:40,519
that was essentially and you know Greg

1433
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:41,809
hasn't talked about his lecture which

1434
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:42,890
was on today

1435
00:53:48,250 --> 00:53:45,170
we're not you know sort of about Roswell

1436
00:53:50,020 --> 00:53:48,260
the and the entree was Roswell 70th he

1437
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:50,030
gave a brief recap ten minutes or so for

1438
00:53:53,290 --> 00:53:51,530
us as well and then he moved into all

1439
00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:53,300
sorts of other theories and his Co

1440
00:53:58,090 --> 00:53:55,700
creation hypothesis and stuff lacing it

1441
00:54:00,760 --> 00:53:58,100
with I don't know but you know kind of

1442
00:54:02,650 --> 00:54:00,770
thing or we don't know and he asked me

1443
00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:02,660
earlier tonight whether he thought it

1444
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:04,670
was well received and I said yeah I

1445
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:06,290
thought it was well we see it was well

1446
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,760
we see but the three guys sitting in the

1447
00:54:12,730 --> 00:54:10,400
room with him here anyway you see

1448
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,740
already they already know I mean it's

1449
00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:14,960
people were not I'm not trying to do

1450
00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:17,150
this I I don't want it to it's like I

1451
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:18,560
want everybody to have fun and we know

1452
00:54:22,450 --> 00:54:20,270
exactly what's going on no I want a

1453
00:54:24,310 --> 00:54:22,460
majority of people to follow what I'm

1454
00:54:26,650 --> 00:54:24,320
saying there's a few people that don't I

1455
00:54:28,570 --> 00:54:26,660
can't control that but if most of the

1456
00:54:31,330 --> 00:54:28,580
people in the room are engaged and

1457
00:54:32,980 --> 00:54:31,340
interested and understand more

1458
00:54:34,060 --> 00:54:32,990
importantly what I'm saying that's

1459
00:54:35,890 --> 00:54:34,070
what's important to me because when I

1460
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:35,900
did give the co-creation talk the first

1461
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:37,490
couple times people were kind of

1462
00:54:40,930 --> 00:54:38,480
complaining and saying what are you

1463
00:54:44,860 --> 00:54:40,940
trying to say all this is made up I said

1464
00:54:47,020 --> 00:54:44,870
no not at all what I think - yeah two or

1465
00:54:49,450 --> 00:54:47,030
three times during the talk I did say I

1466
00:54:51,370 --> 00:54:49,460
must emphasize I am NOT saying people

1467
00:54:53,470 --> 00:54:51,380
are making things up or hallucinating

1468
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,480
that is not what I'm saying at all I

1469
00:54:56,830 --> 00:54:55,520
really do think there's a source to

1470
00:54:58,060 --> 00:54:56,840
these things and we have to find out

1471
00:54:59,680 --> 00:54:58,070
what that is but we have to get out of

1472
00:55:01,900 --> 00:54:59,690
our own way yeah but you know that was

1473
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:01,910
the message of the whole thing after I

1474
00:55:05,260 --> 00:55:03,170
talked about Russell because Roswell was

1475
00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:05,270
basically this is where we came from

1476
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:06,680
here's Kenneth Arnold that's where you

1477
00:55:10,060 --> 00:55:09,050
follow G came from Roswell was turned

1478
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:10,070
into the kind of thing that we will

1479
00:55:15,220 --> 00:55:12,410
probably never figure out and we

1480
00:55:17,980 --> 00:55:15,230
shouldn't care move on to other things

1481
00:55:21,010 --> 00:55:17,990
move on to the what is important which

1482
00:55:22,570 --> 00:55:21,020
is what is the what causes UFO reports I

1483
00:55:26,380 --> 00:55:22,580
mean that probably should be the next

1484
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:26,390
t-shirt I I mean a couple of things you

1485
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:27,770
know with growth regard to that again

1486
00:55:31,180 --> 00:55:29,090
unfortunately and I'm not trying to

1487
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:31,190
marginalize anybody you pick on anybody

1488
00:55:34,780 --> 00:55:33,290
but I'm you know go ahead okay well

1489
00:55:37,470 --> 00:55:34,790
there's often there's often a lot of

1490
00:55:40,180 --> 00:55:37,480
like pretty simplistic thinking and

1491
00:55:41,530 --> 00:55:40,190
again to your credit when you talk about

1492
00:55:42,970 --> 00:55:41,540
that co-creation I'm very much a

1493
00:55:44,980 --> 00:55:42,980
proponent of that kind of an idea that

1494
00:55:46,750 --> 00:55:44,990
there is some element of human

1495
00:55:48,370 --> 00:55:46,760
perception and almost again you know

1496
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:48,380
unfortunately it kind of became what I

1497
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:51,770
would call paranormal porn the idea if

1498
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:53,690
there's just this big / beautiful

1499
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:55,310
gorgeous thing right in your face you

1500
00:55:58,750 --> 00:55:55,910
know and that's

1501
00:56:00,099 --> 00:55:58,760
to be the unexplained real experiences

1502
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:00,109
with the unexplained are often far more

1503
00:56:03,309 --> 00:56:01,849
subtle it's not gonna be this

1504
00:56:04,690 --> 00:56:03,319
full-bodied apparition standing right in

1505
00:56:06,279 --> 00:56:04,700
front of us you know we're all here

1506
00:56:07,450 --> 00:56:06,289
standing on end I mean often often if

1507
00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:07,460
you go into like an environment and

1508
00:56:11,319 --> 00:56:09,230
experience something haunting it's much

1509
00:56:13,420 --> 00:56:11,329
more settled a UFO sighting might just

1510
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:13,430
be you know a bright light but something

1511
00:56:16,089 --> 00:56:14,930
that behaves unlike any other kind of

1512
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:16,099
aircraft it's not going to be usually a

1513
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:17,839
saucer hovering over you with aliens

1514
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:20,089
looking at the window and you know these

1515
00:56:22,750 --> 00:56:21,440
kind of experiences even the little

1516
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,760
synchronicities they're their only

1517
00:56:25,930 --> 00:56:24,319
meaningful often to the person who

1518
00:56:27,339 --> 00:56:25,940
experiences them and many say there's

1519
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,349
absolutely nothing to that but I

1520
00:56:31,539 --> 00:56:29,359
sometimes think that sure there are

1521
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:31,549
there synchronicities they're just a

1522
00:56:35,740 --> 00:56:33,710
novel and then there's some that are so

1523
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:35,750
damned profound in the way that they

1524
00:56:40,329 --> 00:56:38,569
happen you know the timing you know

1525
00:56:41,950 --> 00:56:40,339
there's a distinctive timing to the

1526
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:41,960
synchronicity experience that really is

1527
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:44,569
how one can gauge the importance of it

1528
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:46,130
the efficacy of it I guess you know in

1529
00:56:50,589 --> 00:56:48,170
terms of its relation and it's a message

1530
00:56:52,059 --> 00:56:50,599
to you exactly other people but see

1531
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:52,069
that's the thing is however you want to

1532
00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:53,930
choose to look at it all of the above

1533
00:56:57,549 --> 00:56:55,880
you know the idea that through the

1534
00:56:59,950 --> 00:56:57,559
filter of human perception and through

1535
00:57:01,269 --> 00:56:59,960
their own senses not just the five

1536
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:01,279
primary senses I mean we've got

1537
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:02,930
everybody talks about six dissents like

1538
00:57:09,010 --> 00:57:05,569
we've got 20-plus senses you know hit

1539
00:57:11,289 --> 00:57:09,020
you again the ability to perceive heat

1540
00:57:13,059 --> 00:57:11,299
and cold pressure you know a lot of

1541
00:57:15,010 --> 00:57:13,069
these kinds of things that are the

1542
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:15,020
lesser senses but I mean we react to our

1543
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:17,599
environments a variety of ways and I

1544
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:19,490
think that sometimes outside the range

1545
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:21,650
of the senses or perhaps even within the

1546
00:57:26,529 --> 00:57:23,690
context of sensory awareness in ways

1547
00:57:28,660 --> 00:57:26,539
that we are not overtly aware of but

1548
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:28,670
nonetheless capable perceiving the idea

1549
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,690
that there's an interrelationship

1550
00:57:34,299 --> 00:57:32,000
between some stimuli and the human

1551
00:57:35,620 --> 00:57:34,309
consciousness and when Jacques Vallee

1552
00:57:37,150 --> 00:57:35,630
talks about things like control

1553
00:57:38,650 --> 00:57:37,160
mechanisms again it's the simplistic

1554
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:38,660
kind of oh he's saying that they're done

1555
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,890
here trying to teach us you can control

1556
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:41,839
us nobody's saying is that there may be

1557
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,730
a variety of stimuli to interact with

1558
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:45,440
the human consciousness in ways they are

1559
00:57:49,450 --> 00:57:47,569
again what we would call anomalous or

1560
00:57:50,650 --> 00:57:49,460
foreign to the average everyday

1561
00:57:52,029 --> 00:57:50,660
experience which this is what always

1562
00:57:53,650 --> 00:57:52,039
brings me back to altered states of

1563
00:57:55,380 --> 00:57:53,660
consciousness but I love the co-creation

1564
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:55,390
idea because of that you know people

1565
00:57:59,740 --> 00:57:58,400
sadly if they think of it as you're

1566
00:58:01,210 --> 00:57:59,750
saying that they make this up or that

1567
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,220
they're hallucinating that is a failure

1568
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,440
to understand the concept yeah which is

1569
00:58:08,829 --> 00:58:05,599
why I try to explain it very carefully

1570
00:58:09,580 --> 00:58:08,839
and in a way that I can understand it so

1571
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:09,590
that in a

1572
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:11,330
people can because when I first think of

1573
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:12,770
these things I can understand what the

1574
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:14,450
hell I'm talking about can yeah because

1575
00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:16,970
you're dealing with an alien concept but

1576
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:18,200
that's nothing you know if we will

1577
00:58:21,490 --> 00:58:19,760
understand this kind of stuff that's one

1578
00:58:22,990 --> 00:58:21,500
thing I do like gathering data I'm you

1579
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:23,000
know this is a gripe I've had about you

1580
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:25,040
know organizations like MUFON for years

1581
00:58:29,830 --> 00:58:27,110
they're gathering data a lot of these

1582
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,840
ghost shows you know even if it's more

1583
00:58:33,820 --> 00:58:31,760
entertainment they still probably at

1584
00:58:36,220 --> 00:58:33,830
times get some what would be arguably

1585
00:58:37,810 --> 00:58:36,230
some interesting data but you get to a

1586
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,820
point we have to get interpretive and

1587
00:58:40,450 --> 00:58:38,960
you have to start looking at the data

1588
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:40,460
and trying to look for you know patterns

1589
00:58:44,860 --> 00:58:42,590
correlations try to understand well what

1590
00:58:47,860 --> 00:58:44,870
are we doing with the data that we

1591
00:58:49,810 --> 00:58:47,870
gather how is this data applied in a way

1592
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:49,820
that we can you you know constructively

1593
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:52,310
use in the future to help us learn new

1594
00:58:56,290 --> 00:58:54,410
things so that we build a sort of a

1595
00:58:58,180 --> 00:58:56,300
repertoire a tool bag from which we can

1596
00:58:59,890 --> 00:58:58,190
draw them we know give this phenomena or

1597
00:59:01,300 --> 00:58:59,900
this circumstance or this idea or this

1598
00:59:03,610 --> 00:59:01,310
setting all these things we know these

1599
00:59:05,380 --> 00:59:03,620
factors about this and from that we can

1600
00:59:07,930 --> 00:59:05,390
expect this and we can go about this in

1601
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,940
a methodological way that we continue to

1602
00:59:12,310 --> 00:59:10,160
learn in an accumulative way yeah so

1603
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:12,320
yeah I think it's it's important to be

1604
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:13,730
able to build off of things and have

1605
00:59:18,130 --> 00:59:15,770
these interpretive concepts and you know

1606
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:18,140
again co-creation to me probably says

1607
00:59:23,890 --> 00:59:21,710
your idea of the co-creation aspect says

1608
00:59:26,530 --> 00:59:23,900
more about the nature of the way that

1609
00:59:29,140 --> 00:59:26,540
the mind perceives unusual or novel

1610
00:59:30,910 --> 00:59:29,150
stimuli than a lot of what we read about

1611
00:59:32,530 --> 00:59:30,920
in the ghosts and UFO books and things

1612
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:32,540
yeah I think it apply it can apply

1613
00:59:36,850 --> 00:59:34,010
across the board to different things

1614
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:36,860
maybe less so with something like the

1615
00:59:42,340 --> 00:59:40,330
paranormal or ghost hunting or even

1616
00:59:44,050 --> 00:59:42,350
cryptozoology I don't think there's a as

1617
00:59:45,970 --> 00:59:44,060
much of an interaction like with a

1618
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:45,980
Bigfoot it is but it's in a different

1619
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:49,010
way I think that the UFO thing is more

1620
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:50,690
ephemeral and more open to

1621
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:53,810
interpretation and open to crazy things

1622
00:59:57,420 --> 00:59:55,610
like what is actually appearing there

1623
01:00:00,370 --> 00:59:57,430
and does our perception of it change it

1624
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:00,380
physically for other people are we if

1625
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:02,210
there's five people in a room and

1626
01:00:06,090 --> 01:00:03,920
something happens something paranormal

1627
01:00:08,260 --> 01:00:06,100
does that mean we're all together

1628
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:08,270
co-creating whatever that thing is in

1629
01:00:11,590 --> 01:00:09,530
the addition to whatever the thing is

1630
01:00:15,460 --> 01:00:11,600
we're not coming from that might have

1631
01:00:17,530 --> 01:00:15,470
been an operant issue in what happened

1632
01:00:19,450 --> 01:00:17,540
this weekend at the Museum oh I'm sure

1633
01:00:21,790 --> 01:00:19,460
you know so I've been thinking about

1634
01:00:23,170 --> 01:00:21,800
that while all this is happening to also

1635
01:00:24,730 --> 01:00:23,180
this weird thing where I kept

1636
01:00:26,740 --> 01:00:24,740
stepping away from everything and

1637
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,750
looking in the corners are looking

1638
01:00:30,790 --> 01:00:28,400
behind us and looking where nobody was

1639
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:30,800
looking just to see what would happen I

1640
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:33,140
didn't see anything but I thought that

1641
01:00:36,430 --> 01:00:34,400
would be you know something interesting

1642
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:36,440
like if I ever have a UFO sighting and

1643
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:38,240
there's other people around me everybody

1644
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:40,490
and looking I'm gonna do my damnedest to

1645
01:00:47,470 --> 01:00:42,650
turn around and look the other way this

1646
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:47,480
is actually McGarrett what are you doing

1647
01:00:54,579 --> 01:00:52,490
behind me I have in cosmic sea that was

1648
01:00:55,930 --> 01:00:54,589
my that was my one tool that I brought

1649
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:55,940
with me in the in the ghostly

1650
01:01:01,180 --> 01:00:57,970
environment I brought the cosmic

1651
01:01:03,549 --> 01:01:01,190
gravitational wave detector yeah I said

1652
01:01:06,130 --> 01:01:03,559
guys you know everybody's looking really

1653
01:01:13,420 --> 01:01:06,140
to get any data yeah yeah there were no

1654
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:13,430
gravity anomalies in the I always carry

1655
01:01:16,930 --> 01:01:15,410
this magnifying glass around with me I

1656
01:01:20,140 --> 01:01:16,940
didn't see that the whole weekend yeah I

1657
01:01:21,130 --> 01:01:20,150
always fight these are simple tools and

1658
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:21,140
a lot of the time they're more for

1659
01:01:24,460 --> 01:01:22,640
comedic effect but you know I love to

1660
01:01:27,819 --> 01:01:24,470
carry a pack of playing cards you know

1661
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:27,829
actually a magnifying glasses is great

1662
01:01:33,490 --> 01:01:30,530
for on the spot analysis and burning

1663
01:01:36,990 --> 01:01:33,500
hands and burning ants melting metal toy

1664
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:42,370
music balls - I think something else

1665
01:01:48,010 --> 01:01:44,329
that's interesting is the theory the

1666
01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:48,020
co-creation theory is that opening up

1667
01:01:53,020 --> 01:01:49,910
that consciousness it when we're dealing

1668
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:53,030
with the UFO phenomenon what you're

1669
01:02:01,480 --> 01:01:57,920
doing really helps to move away from the

1670
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:01,490
ET hypothesis in some ways no which i

1671
01:02:04,089 --> 01:02:02,690
think is really interesting because

1672
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:04,099
that's a lot of what we talked about at

1673
01:02:11,710 --> 01:02:07,970
this panel as well is yeah I guess not

1674
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:11,720
not getting rid of the ETI father things

1675
01:02:15,250 --> 01:02:13,490
that are possibly more interesting and

1676
01:02:16,750 --> 01:02:15,260
fruitful exactly because I so people

1677
01:02:18,220 --> 01:02:16,760
said you know what's wrong with the ETH

1678
01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:18,230
I said well it's like running on a

1679
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:20,390
hamster wheel we haven't gotten anywhere

1680
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:22,010
in 70 years running on that hamster

1681
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:23,690
wheel yeah I suppose it's an interesting

1682
01:02:28,180 --> 01:02:26,720
colorful fun hamster wheel but I don't

1683
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:28,190
think it's personally I don't think it's

1684
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:30,290
gotten us very far it couldn't answer

1685
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:32,089
but it's not really that interesting to

1686
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:33,440
me yeah that's the other thing I

1687
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:35,450
emphasize it's like what people saying

1688
01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:36,970
what do you think you followed you

1689
01:02:39,390 --> 01:02:38,260
well how do you think it's changing what

1690
01:02:40,589 --> 01:02:39,400
do you think it's gonna happen where do

1691
01:02:42,210 --> 01:02:40,599
you think it should go and it's like

1692
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:42,220
I've got ideas about that but mostly all

1693
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:44,710
I care about is what I care about and I

1694
01:02:50,310 --> 01:02:48,160
know that sounds selfish but what you

1695
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:50,320
know ultimately I think everybody it

1696
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:51,910
only cares about what they care about

1697
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:53,650
well sometimes you can also make the

1698
01:02:57,570 --> 01:02:54,910
argument that a certain degree of

1699
01:03:00,030 --> 01:02:57,580
self-interest actually has a lot of you

1700
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:00,040
know benefit a person who is passionate

1701
01:03:02,310 --> 01:03:01,090
about something he can only be

1702
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:02,320
interested in what you're interested in

1703
01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:03,280
but if you're interested nothing

1704
01:03:04,890 --> 01:03:04,630
something that you push your way through

1705
01:03:08,670 --> 01:03:04,900
it

1706
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:08,680
shared by a large demographic you know

1707
01:03:12,660 --> 01:03:10,960
and you have other people by coming to

1708
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:12,670
personal discoveries and an

1709
01:03:18,089 --> 01:03:15,130
understanding of oneself yeah I read a

1710
01:03:20,700 --> 01:03:18,099
book about people like I don't know

1711
01:03:22,890 --> 01:03:20,710
about Lincoln and Einstein and people

1712
01:03:26,130 --> 01:03:22,900
like this and what it said was a lot of

1713
01:03:28,859 --> 01:03:26,140
them one they had a singular idea that

1714
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:28,869
they were obsessed with - they have a

1715
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:30,730
support system of people that either

1716
01:03:35,250 --> 01:03:32,590
agree with them they can bounce ideas

1717
01:03:38,070 --> 01:03:35,260
off of they can become interactive with

1718
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:38,080
and and find out you know and they can

1719
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:40,510
you know falsify their hypothesis with

1720
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:42,310
them everything just somebody that's so

1721
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:43,690
interested in what they're doing that it

1722
01:03:48,660 --> 01:03:46,089
supports their growth in that area no

1723
01:03:50,370 --> 01:03:48,670
matter what it is and that's why I you

1724
01:03:52,290 --> 01:03:50,380
know I can say well I'm very selfish

1725
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:52,300
about this well no I have to interact

1726
01:03:57,660 --> 01:03:55,210
with people because somebody can tell me

1727
01:03:59,400 --> 01:03:57,670
when I'm doing something wrong or inform

1728
01:04:01,260 --> 01:03:59,410
me about something or I can inform them

1729
01:04:02,790 --> 01:04:01,270
about something and they it lifts their

1730
01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:02,800
boat and they can continue with whatever

1731
01:04:04,730 --> 01:04:04,150
they're doing that's what we're doing

1732
01:04:07,530 --> 01:04:04,740
here

1733
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:07,540
absolutely so this is why you know

1734
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:08,890
that's probably one of the main reason I

1735
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:11,050
do this show is because one I want to

1736
01:04:14,099 --> 01:04:12,400
keep my finger and everything and hear

1737
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:14,109
what's going on and I like talking to

1738
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,720
people but also I'm involved with a

1739
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:18,640
conspiracy with everybody I have on the

1740
01:04:24,270 --> 01:04:22,330
show just about in trying to trying to

1741
01:04:25,950 --> 01:04:24,280
move this in a direction I think is

1742
01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:25,960
interesting and they're they're helping

1743
01:04:29,609 --> 01:04:27,640
me do the same thing so that's why I

1744
01:04:31,140 --> 01:04:29,619
like having people like you guys on and

1745
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,150
I'm sure we all have our own reasons for

1746
01:04:36,329 --> 01:04:33,280
wanting to help you know move that

1747
01:04:38,070 --> 01:04:36,339
forward like everybody have a personal

1748
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:38,080
motivation but if you're lucky you find

1749
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:39,250
people who have some of the same

1750
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:41,950
motivations and then great things start

1751
01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:44,050
to happen I think one of the the

1752
01:04:48,780 --> 01:04:45,790
interesting things is one of you - who

1753
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:48,790
said it was that we're not into ufology

1754
01:04:52,590 --> 01:04:50,170
- convinced

1755
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:52,600
people that UFOs are real like if that's

1756
01:04:57,180 --> 01:04:54,880
the reason for being interested in the

1757
01:04:59,820 --> 01:04:57,190
topic to convince someone of it you're

1758
01:05:01,290 --> 01:04:59,830
gonna be miserable absolutely miserable

1759
01:05:02,430 --> 01:05:01,300
and you're not gonna get anywhere that's

1760
01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:02,440
a good point Rock you know what I mean

1761
01:05:08,940 --> 01:05:05,710
we're in this to talk to one another to

1762
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:08,950
share information and say what the [\h__\h]

1763
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:13,570
is going you know yeah it's and again

1764
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:15,730
there is that that's selfishness in that

1765
01:05:21,180 --> 01:05:18,130
that curiosity don't want to find

1766
01:05:23,130 --> 01:05:21,190
answers but we might never find answers

1767
01:05:26,430 --> 01:05:23,140
you know we we had a few beers over

1768
01:05:29,310 --> 01:05:26,440
dinner with mr. banal and mom or it was

1769
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:29,320
a and in the midst of drinking it was

1770
01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:32,290
pretty sobering to hear you know what if

1771
01:05:37,260 --> 01:05:34,540
we die and we don't know the truth you

1772
01:05:39,180 --> 01:05:37,270
know we've just lost Lea Jim Marrs and

1773
01:05:40,980 --> 01:05:39,190
you know he went to the grave not

1774
01:05:44,430 --> 01:05:40,990
knowing you know we've had other people

1775
01:05:46,620 --> 01:05:44,440
we've had so many ufologists er UFO

1776
01:05:49,050 --> 01:05:46,630
research researchers going to the grave

1777
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:49,060
not knowing and I think we all sort of

1778
01:05:54,330 --> 01:05:50,650
came to that conclusion like we probably

1779
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:54,340
won't ever know but we're okay with that

1780
01:05:58,830 --> 01:05:56,410
no like well you said at the panel it's

1781
01:06:00,780 --> 01:05:58,840
the journey it's not the destination oh

1782
01:06:02,580 --> 01:06:00,790
yeah the word thing is Phil class's

1783
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:02,590
infamous or famous curse where I was

1784
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:04,570
thinking you are it's like you will all

1785
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:06,310
die without knowing the answer to the

1786
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:09,280
UFO mystery and people look at that as

1787
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:10,960
if that's a bad thing like class

1788
01:06:14,610 --> 01:06:12,400
certainly man it is a bad thing yeah

1789
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:14,620
towards I would say no that's cool I'm

1790
01:06:16,770 --> 01:06:15,130
good with that

1791
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:16,780
yeah I'm fine with it you know what

1792
01:06:23,490 --> 01:06:21,520
class so will you [\h__\h] but I you

1793
01:06:25,380 --> 01:06:23,500
know it's it's you know for me I don't

1794
01:06:26,820 --> 01:06:25,390
need to know the answers I honestly

1795
01:06:28,260 --> 01:06:26,830
don't need to know if it was Mac Tony's

1796
01:06:31,590 --> 01:06:28,270
the other night or if any of these

1797
01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:31,600
things that I've experienced are what I

1798
01:06:35,550 --> 01:06:33,790
might think they are because Holly or

1799
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:35,560
Dylan or whoever's on my crew or with me

1800
01:06:38,490 --> 01:06:37,210
might think it's something else and I'm

1801
01:06:40,170 --> 01:06:38,500
not going to tell them they're wrong and

1802
01:06:41,610 --> 01:06:40,180
and they're not going to tell me I'm

1803
01:06:43,830 --> 01:06:41,620
wrong and we all take something out

1804
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:43,840
which is something weird happen and it

1805
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:45,490
means something to each of us maybe in

1806
01:06:49,410 --> 01:06:47,050
different ways and sometimes it means

1807
01:06:52,020 --> 01:06:49,420
the same thing too so that's interesting

1808
01:06:53,850 --> 01:06:52,030
as well and you know you just kind of go

1809
01:06:57,180 --> 01:06:53,860
home I had to tell one cast member who

1810
01:06:59,820 --> 01:06:57,190
we had to sort of let go from the show

1811
01:07:02,760 --> 01:06:59,830
that because she couldn't handle it she

1812
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:02,770
would when the thing was over she you'd

1813
01:07:05,710 --> 01:07:03,890
find her crying

1814
01:07:07,539 --> 01:07:05,720
seeing things that weren't there like a

1815
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:07,549
stove leg we turn on so you think it was

1816
01:07:10,599 --> 01:07:08,930
the spirit of her dead father or

1817
01:07:12,730 --> 01:07:10,609
something and I said you have to be able

1818
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:12,740
there's a point where you do it but you

1819
01:07:15,849 --> 01:07:14,450
also have to be able to walk away from

1820
01:07:18,279 --> 01:07:15,859
it and realize there's a real world out

1821
01:07:21,490 --> 01:07:18,289
there too that were in and this is maybe

1822
01:07:23,799 --> 01:07:21,500
us contacting something bigger it's like

1823
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:23,809
a it does have the potential I've

1824
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:25,039
certainly seen this and you followed you

1825
01:07:29,950 --> 01:07:26,480
but I've seen it now in the ghosty stuff

1826
01:07:32,109 --> 01:07:29,960
to be a bit of an abyss or whirlpool and

1827
01:07:33,279 --> 01:07:32,119
if you get or an event horizon you do

1828
01:07:35,319 --> 01:07:33,289
not want to get caught in the event

1829
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:35,329
horizon of the black hole and you know

1830
01:07:38,740 --> 01:07:37,130
you want to make sure you say that is a

1831
01:07:40,660 --> 01:07:38,750
tough one you're looking into the black

1832
01:07:41,980 --> 01:07:40,670
hole you can fire probes into the black

1833
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:41,990
hole and everything but you don't want

1834
01:07:46,210 --> 01:07:44,089
you starship sucked into the black and

1835
01:07:49,890 --> 01:07:46,220
sometimes people do go you know a little

1836
01:07:53,289 --> 01:07:49,900
too far and it's like you know see yeah

1837
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:53,299
that reminds me of the I was on that

1838
01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:55,010
panel in Roswell they were saying well

1839
01:07:58,839 --> 01:07:57,049
you know how do you propose to you know

1840
01:08:01,660 --> 01:07:58,849
communicate with whatever this is and I

1841
01:08:04,839 --> 01:08:01,670
said I think you should go and seek

1842
01:08:06,849 --> 01:08:04,849
contact like you know like people might

1843
01:08:08,049 --> 01:08:06,859
do with a Ouija board I just because

1844
01:08:09,279 --> 01:08:08,059
people somebody on the panel said I

1845
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:09,289
don't think you should be messing with

1846
01:08:13,509 --> 01:08:11,450
this whatever whatever is causing the

1847
01:08:16,079 --> 01:08:13,519
UFO thing and I said I'm gonna be

1848
01:08:18,579 --> 01:08:16,089
unpopular and say yes I think you do

1849
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:18,589
there was like an audible gasp and I was

1850
01:08:22,599 --> 01:08:20,690
like well and I brought up the leis

1851
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,609
quote you can study volcanoes from ten

1852
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:24,080
miles away but you're never gonna really

1853
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:25,489
know what if volcano is still you stand

1854
01:08:29,740 --> 01:08:27,409
right next to it some people have to

1855
01:08:34,689 --> 01:08:29,750
stand next to the volcano probably

1856
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:34,699
shouldn't do warning signals it's time

1857
01:08:39,879 --> 01:08:37,279
to leave the island yeah exactly in the

1858
01:08:41,499 --> 01:08:39,889
same way that if you hopefully you can

1859
01:08:42,999 --> 01:08:41,509
tell when you're getting sucked in too

1860
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:43,009
much and you just kind of go whoa and

1861
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:44,810
you back off yeah that's what I'm

1862
01:08:47,229 --> 01:08:45,290
thinking

1863
01:08:49,390 --> 01:08:47,239
you know for a UFO researcher who might

1864
01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:49,400
be doing this kind of thing and and the

1865
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:50,870
other thing that they should do the

1866
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:52,130
other thing I was saying they say they

1867
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:53,690
were like well you know what if anybody

1868
01:08:57,970 --> 01:08:56,449
does that anybody can't do this why do

1869
01:09:00,669 --> 01:08:57,980
you think they sent Neil Armstrong to

1870
01:09:01,780 --> 01:09:00,679
the moon you and I are you know a friend

1871
01:09:03,519 --> 01:09:01,790
of ours probably couldn't have gone to

1872
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:03,529
the moon we'd have freaked out he could

1873
01:09:06,610 --> 01:09:05,359
do it he was that kind of person he had

1874
01:09:08,979 --> 01:09:06,620
the training he knew what he was doing

1875
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:08,989
he had a motivation to do it he had a

1876
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:11,330
support system that's the kind of thing

1877
01:09:14,740 --> 01:09:13,130
I'm talking about you have to have the

1878
01:09:17,229 --> 01:09:14,750
mindset to do this kind of thing and

1879
01:09:17,559 --> 01:09:17,239
Paul and and Holly and the people on the

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01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:17,569
cruise

1881
01:09:21,550 --> 01:09:20,000
to have this kind of mindset I wanted to

1882
01:09:23,229 --> 01:09:21,560
actually emphasize on ice you know we

1883
01:09:24,910 --> 01:09:23,239
were saying the blue light about Mac and

1884
01:09:27,819 --> 01:09:24,920
all that I wasn't sitting there going my

1885
01:09:29,109 --> 01:09:27,829
god we're talking to Mac Tony's I didn't

1886
01:09:30,339 --> 01:09:29,119
think that while we were sitting there I

1887
01:09:33,519 --> 01:09:30,349
was thinking this is interesting

1888
01:09:35,859 --> 01:09:33,529
interesting if true this is interesting

1889
01:09:37,839 --> 01:09:35,869
I wonder if it has something to do with

1890
01:09:40,030 --> 01:09:37,849
Mac or if it has more to do with me and

1891
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:40,040
Paul whatever energy we have going on or

1892
01:09:41,740 --> 01:09:41,329
there might be something wrong with the

1893
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:41,750
rem-pod

1894
01:09:45,609 --> 01:09:43,250
I don't know or it could be a trickster

1895
01:09:47,470 --> 01:09:45,619
yeah you know the idea that there's some

1896
01:09:48,669 --> 01:09:47,480
entity out there live hands on to what

1897
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:48,679
you're thinking of it says cool I'll

1898
01:09:53,229 --> 01:09:51,679
play this part yeah I had 10 different

1899
01:09:54,879 --> 01:09:53,239
models going through my head while we're

1900
01:09:56,530 --> 01:09:54,889
doing this and I didn't latch on to any

1901
01:09:58,030 --> 01:09:56,540
of them and I didn't care if any of them

1902
01:10:00,160 --> 01:09:58,040
were true yeah I was just kind of

1903
01:10:01,569 --> 01:10:00,170
rolodex ain't could be this and this and

1904
01:10:03,100 --> 01:10:01,579
this and this and this and this very

1905
01:10:04,629 --> 01:10:03,110
interesting while it's going on could be

1906
01:10:07,390 --> 01:10:04,639
this and this and then it stopped and I

1907
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,400
stopped the rolodex one surefire thing

1908
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:09,920
came out of all this I know you know in

1909
01:10:13,629 --> 01:10:12,110
my heart that that will be the new

1910
01:10:15,069 --> 01:10:13,639
podcast that the fortress started doing

1911
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:15,079
together will be called interesting if

1912
01:10:27,310 --> 01:10:25,149
interesting if true but it's a good

1913
01:10:31,180 --> 01:10:27,320
bottom it's a good way to look at it

1914
01:10:33,939 --> 01:10:31,190
really is under sander can you ask Mike

1915
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:33,949
a please about this mystery screws thing

1916
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:36,170
that he and Jim Harold keep talking up I

1917
01:10:41,050 --> 01:10:38,510
hope it's some new archeological find ah

1918
01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:41,060
I have I do not know what he's talking

1919
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:45,230
about please exactly sure yes er EWS

1920
01:10:51,580 --> 01:10:49,010
miss mysteries cruise is a cruise that

1921
01:11:01,379 --> 01:10:51,590
I'm gonna be no yeah yeah it's a cruise

1922
01:11:05,709 --> 01:11:04,030
can't you spell that properly I am

1923
01:11:07,780 --> 01:11:05,719
offended not at him it's the three of

1924
01:11:10,629 --> 01:11:07,790
you and your your gutter mouths but

1925
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:10,639
you're my alligator its mysteries cruise

1926
01:11:14,290 --> 01:11:12,770
calm the long in the short of this is

1927
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:14,300
you know Jim Harold nod we've often all

1928
01:11:17,589 --> 01:11:16,130
enjoyed doing podcasts together for a

1929
01:11:19,569 --> 01:11:17,599
number of years and so we're actually

1930
01:11:22,180 --> 01:11:19,579
taking our shows to the seven seas and

1931
01:11:25,390 --> 01:11:22,190
we're gonna be doing several days at sea

1932
01:11:26,970 --> 01:11:25,400
in November it's going to be Jim and I'm

1933
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:26,980
gonna be actually given a full-fledged

1934
01:11:29,950 --> 01:11:28,159
lecture

1935
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:29,960
Jim's gonna be doing like a live version

1936
01:11:32,730 --> 01:11:30,490
of

1937
01:11:34,230 --> 01:11:32,740
pillar campfire podcast I'm gonna be

1938
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:34,240
doing a live episode of the graylien

1939
01:11:38,910 --> 01:11:37,360
report my co-host and cohort mr. Matt

1940
01:11:40,290 --> 01:11:38,920
Oakley is actually going to be joining

1941
01:11:42,450 --> 01:11:40,300
me on this one of the rare opportunities

1942
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:42,460
he gets to come out with me and we're

1943
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:43,570
gonna be doing the live show together

1944
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:45,310
there from the crews gym I also wanted

1945
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,890
to do a cruise yeah yeah I know

1946
01:11:51,390 --> 01:11:49,360
I've been trying to get like Greg on the

1947
01:11:53,850 --> 01:11:51,400
cruise for forever I've never been on a

1948
01:11:55,380 --> 01:11:53,860
cruise ever actually for any reason I

1949
01:11:57,180 --> 01:11:55,390
thought if I can give a lecture on one

1950
01:11:58,800 --> 01:11:57,190
sure I'll go on one exam it--be

1951
01:11:59,250 --> 01:11:58,810
interesting yeah I might be bored out of

1952
01:12:01,080 --> 01:11:59,260
my mind

1953
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:01,090
well actually during a conference it

1954
01:12:04,830 --> 01:12:02,800
doesn't really matter where you are it's

1955
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:04,840
the point of being well with the people

1956
01:12:08,460 --> 01:12:06,130
there and with the other researchers and

1957
01:12:10,110 --> 01:12:08,470
that interaction that's the important

1958
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:10,120
part so why not having on a boat

1959
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:11,890
absolutely as long as it has skeet

1960
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:15,910
shooting off the pep rally I've got to

1961
01:12:18,660 --> 01:12:17,290
say of course the wonderful rosemary

1962
01:12:21,450 --> 01:12:18,670
ellen guiley she's gonna be joining us

1963
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:21,460
on that but that's a mystery screws calm

1964
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:23,050
that's what it is as far as the

1965
01:12:27,330 --> 01:12:25,930
archaeology I wish this was like one of

1966
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:27,340
the cruises we did last year where David

1967
01:12:33,180 --> 01:12:30,400
Childress and Mike Mara and I went to

1968
01:12:35,790 --> 01:12:33,190
yeah we went to gosh lamb and I and all

1969
01:12:37,650 --> 01:12:35,800
these beautiful ancient Mayan sites

1970
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:37,660
it's no secret archeology is kind of my

1971
01:12:41,310 --> 01:12:39,570
thing and while we were doing the

1972
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:41,320
investigations their thing is in this

1973
01:12:45,090 --> 01:12:43,210
weekend I'm I'm over there like an idiot

1974
01:12:48,150 --> 01:12:45,100
you know just poring over all of these

1975
01:12:50,250 --> 01:12:48,160
beautiful Native American artifacts you

1976
01:12:52,530 --> 01:12:50,260
know everything from pottery shards to

1977
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:52,540
you know Arrowhead spear points things

1978
01:12:56,460 --> 01:12:54,880
along these lines pipes you know I'm

1979
01:12:58,860 --> 01:12:56,470
just people like what is that guy doing

1980
01:13:00,690 --> 01:12:58,870
I realize like you're crazy if you have

1981
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:00,700
a real interest in this sort of stuff

1982
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:02,530
but you know that's a real passion of

1983
01:13:07,410 --> 01:13:05,410
mine and I'm you know yeah so but I with

1984
01:13:10,050 --> 01:13:07,420
with history and archeology in mind of

1985
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:10,060
course when we when we go down to amber

1986
01:13:14,850 --> 01:13:12,730
Cove and some of these resort islands

1987
01:13:16,290 --> 01:13:14,860
you know do the little excursions I was

1988
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:16,300
looking at all the excursions for this

1989
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:18,370
trip and going ah you know some of you

1990
01:13:21,420 --> 01:13:19,930
look fun but I'd really kind of like to

1991
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:21,430
assemble my own okay here's an old like

1992
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:23,530
you know 1500 Spanish fort we'll go

1993
01:13:28,350 --> 01:13:26,290
there what they're bioluminescent worms

1994
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:28,360
that actually hatch out on this part of

1995
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:29,920
the island three days after the full

1996
01:13:34,170 --> 01:13:32,320
moon from way through September 1 gonna

1997
01:13:35,850 --> 01:13:34,180
go there so that's why I'm trying to

1998
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:35,860
don't try to put together my own you

1999
01:13:40,260 --> 01:13:38,110
know mysteries with mysteries of the

2000
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:40,270
weird with with mica although I have to

2001
01:13:43,690 --> 01:13:42,250
admit I'm thinking about turning my own

2002
01:13:50,140 --> 01:13:43,700
shorts curtains and

2003
01:13:52,210 --> 01:13:50,150
the interesting if true excursion with a

2004
01:13:54,700 --> 01:13:52,220
with the funny catchphrase after like

2005
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:54,710
borrow them from him even though I stole

2006
01:13:59,380 --> 01:13:57,530
that from Nick Pope yeah well I still

2007
01:14:00,910 --> 01:13:59,390
have to Maria nice passing along to me

2008
01:14:03,580 --> 01:14:00,920
and somebody wanting you find folks in

2009
01:14:06,180 --> 01:14:03,590
the listening audience maybe Anders

2010
01:14:09,010 --> 01:14:06,190
Sanders is that that's not our W is it

2011
01:14:10,540 --> 01:14:09,020
nope I don't think so well either white

2012
01:14:12,940 --> 01:14:10,550
but yeah so hopefully that answers the

2013
01:14:14,650 --> 01:14:12,950
question mysteries cruise call and you

2014
01:14:16,420 --> 01:14:14,660
know and like you were saying Greg but

2015
01:14:18,460 --> 01:14:16,430
the fun thing is anytime we can all

2016
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,470
share sometimes so experience together

2017
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:20,480
you know whether it be on that kind of

2018
01:14:26,290 --> 01:14:22,970
trip or whether it be at an event like

2019
01:14:28,150 --> 01:14:26,300
this the real blessing here this last

2020
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:28,160
few days has been in addition to the

2021
01:14:31,870 --> 01:14:29,450
event and the people that were there I

2022
01:14:34,690 --> 01:14:31,880
mean the four of us getting to go and

2023
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,700
you know I mean Oak Island you know that

2024
01:14:38,110 --> 01:14:36,320
was like on the bucket list right there

2025
01:14:39,940 --> 01:14:38,120
what home it looks like Paul's

2026
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:39,950
discovered all in part what I won't have

2027
01:14:45,340 --> 01:14:43,010
Johnny Mars old Rickenbacker's is for

2028
01:14:48,810 --> 01:14:45,350
sale laid it on Strangeways here we come

2029
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:48,820
yeah it's fifty nine thousand dollars k

2030
01:14:54,670 --> 01:14:51,770
it's down 26 thousand from the original

2031
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:54,680
asking price of 85 okay well Paul better

2032
01:14:59,920 --> 01:14:56,510
starting indiegogo to get him that right

2033
01:15:02,320 --> 01:14:59,930
yeah yes get me some travel money for a

2034
01:15:06,900 --> 01:15:02,330
conference or two yeah Paul is human he

2035
01:15:11,230 --> 01:15:09,250
what time do you guys have to wake up

2036
01:15:14,140 --> 01:15:11,240
here to go to the airport I gotta get

2037
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:14,150
that oh yeah 5 o'clock yeah this is

2038
01:15:17,770 --> 01:15:16,490
11:30 right now would you it's only been

2039
01:15:19,540 --> 01:15:17,780
an hour and a half but I said we were

2040
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:19,550
only going for an hour and you stayed

2041
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:21,770
for a lot longer than that so maybe we

2042
01:15:26,410 --> 01:15:24,890
can stop now so you guys and I actually

2043
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:26,420
I'm leaving later but I might have to go

2044
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:29,990
to the airport at the same time it's an

2045
01:15:37,060 --> 01:15:33,040
airport breakfast yeah our host Paul

2046
01:15:39,460 --> 01:15:37,070
gimble thank you so much Paul and made

2047
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:39,470
this thing the most wonderful smooth

2048
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:43,250
completely worryfree experience for all

2049
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:45,290
of us anything well thanks to Linda

2050
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:49,250
refuse and the cross society in the the

2051
01:15:54,220 --> 01:15:51,290
Queens County Museum and winter-like

2052
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:54,230
productions as well my business partners

2053
01:15:57,730 --> 01:15:55,250
company who

2054
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:57,740
to help sponsor this because for the

2055
01:16:00,880 --> 01:15:59,120
last two years at least I've been able

2056
01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:00,890
to bring Greg out twice or at least

2057
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:02,450
convince them to bring Greg out twice

2058
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:04,130
Aaron job Aaron gulley Aslam Aaron

2059
01:16:09,490 --> 01:16:07,010
you're twisting Mike and Ryan this year

2060
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:09,500
cool people that I think Liverpool as

2061
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:10,850
you found out it's a small little town

2062
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:12,800
two thousand people in the corner of

2063
01:16:16,990 --> 01:16:14,690
Nova Scotia but people come in small

2064
01:16:18,580 --> 01:16:17,000
crowds big crowds but they keep you know

2065
01:16:20,050 --> 01:16:18,590
they don't yell out when you're speaking

2066
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:20,060
like some of the bigger conferences in

2067
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,370
the US do where they go you're wrong you

2068
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:24,800
know no toys or whatever they sit there

2069
01:16:27,580 --> 01:16:26,480
lightly to the point where all of us

2070
01:16:29,500 --> 01:16:27,590
it's somewhere to another go

2071
01:16:31,420 --> 01:16:29,510
there's people actually listening I

2072
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:31,430
don't do this I guarantee you they're

2073
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:32,690
actually listening they're listening

2074
01:16:36,010 --> 01:16:34,370
they're taking it in and even when they

2075
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,020
disagree with you being good Canadians

2076
01:16:40,180 --> 01:16:38,000
they'll walk out in the hall and glite

2077
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:40,190
Lee you know NAB you by the bathroom and

2078
01:16:44,410 --> 01:16:41,930
say listen I have a photo and whatever

2079
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:44,420
so yeah if you Lindy I make it up and

2080
01:16:49,780 --> 01:16:46,610
yeah for the opportunity to bring these

2081
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:49,790
guys down and or up to Canada and then

2082
01:16:54,010 --> 01:16:51,650
down to Liverpool and hopefully there's

2083
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:54,020
a fourth one and we can do it all again

2084
01:16:59,440 --> 01:16:57,170
yeah I would love it all right there it

2085
01:17:01,240 --> 01:16:59,450
is guys that is it for the round table

2086
01:17:03,670 --> 01:17:01,250
again I have to send my sincere thanks

2087
01:17:06,430 --> 01:17:03,680
to Paul Kimball for inviting me to the

2088
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:06,440
conference to speak also to Linda refuse

2089
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:08,960
the host of the East Coast Paracon it

2090
01:17:13,450 --> 01:17:11,330
was a little outside my wheelhouse but I

2091
01:17:15,310 --> 01:17:13,460
stumbled through and really learned a

2092
01:17:17,650 --> 01:17:15,320
lot about the paranormal and what may

2093
01:17:21,370 --> 01:17:17,660
lay just beyond the veil of what we see

2094
01:17:22,900 --> 01:17:21,380
smell hear and feel I have no doubt that

2095
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:22,910
there are things out there happening all

2096
01:17:27,370 --> 01:17:24,560
around us that we simply can't explain

2097
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:27,380
just yet and perhaps one day the

2098
01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:29,360
paranormal will become normal

2099
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:31,550
please check out all of these guys you

2100
01:17:35,230 --> 01:17:33,440
heard tonight if you live in Canada

2101
01:17:37,210 --> 01:17:35,240
Paul Kimball's new television series

2102
01:17:39,460 --> 01:17:37,220
haunted will be premiering soon

2103
01:17:42,850 --> 01:17:39,470
Greg's work can be found at Radio

2104
01:17:46,150 --> 01:17:42,860
Mysterio so calm and Myka can be found

2105
01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:46,160
at the graylien report.com as always

2106
01:17:48,940 --> 01:17:48,110
please rate and review the show on

2107
01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:48,950
iTunes

2108
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:51,350
it helps us gain new listeners and ask

2109
01:17:56,710 --> 01:17:54,110
new questions all past episodes can also

2110
01:17:59,320 --> 01:17:56,720
be found at somewhere in the skies calm

2111
01:18:01,630 --> 01:17:59,330
I'll see you next Monday remember keep

2112
01:18:02,669 --> 01:18:01,640
your feet on the ground but never stop

2113
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:02,679
searching

2114
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:18,010
somewhere in the skies this has been a